CA reg plans - TOP now, waiting for 2007 SB100

[dlang14]

I wanted to post one more time before I go and screw this up. My car should be at home tomorrow

Since I've opted for a Roush 427R which won't pass the sniffer test, and is a new dart block I need SB100 to register the car. My plan is to pay the fees and such now, get a temporary permit (hopefully 2) that will get me through the summer, and then ride out the winter until Jan 2nd 2007 when I can complete my registration.

Please tell me if you see anything wrong with my plan, or any areas that can get me in trouble during my registration process. Here is the outline that I plan on following.

1) Go to DMV submit registration application (form REG343), pay fees and get a TOP that will allow me to visit the CHP. I plan on having the Statement of Construction form (REG5036) completed and with me at this time, but I don't know if they want it at this stage of the process or not. DMV site is unclear.
2) CHP inspection
3) Brake and Light inspection and then complete corresponding form
4) DO NOT GO TO BAR
5) Dec 2 06 make DMV appointment for Jan 2 07
6) Show up at DMV 5am Jan 2. Wait in line for hours, pray, curse, sweat, etc. get SB100#
7) Go to BAR

I'm still unclear where on the registration form to designate that I want to register the car as SPCNS. I will place a phone call to the help line today (thanks for the suggestion Bill) and see if I cant figure that out. In the mean time if anyone knows, please let me know.

Also if anyone sees anything wrong please stop me now

Thanks,

Daryl

For reference this is the DMV site that I'm trying to follow. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcnsreg.htm

[ezplans]

Going to the BAR and failing several times allowed me to return to the DMV and show that I had been attempting to comply with the smog requirements. I received two 60 day extensions to the original TOP. Passed on block year (using smoke and mirrors) before finding out if DMV would give me a third extension. Just my experience, I have no idea if it is universal from DMV to DMV. I'll be in line in January, do not want to have to worry about the smoke and mirrors in the future.

Bill

[stevem]

SPCNS is going to be the make of the car and the year will be 2006. I agree also that you should go to bar. Make sure you take a long as possible to complete each step and be very nice to the DMV personnel as in the end you need them to like you. I easily got enough extensions to drive from July to end of November last year. The rest of your plan is perfect. I just finished this and am presently waitning on my new title. Good luck and have fun.

[slithering]

Daryl,

I see you live in Gilroy, have you asked the DMV office there, if they have experience with SB100? I would like to change one aspect of your planning;
#1-make sure you have all your receipts and your forms filled out correctly. I made a visit prior to my appointment to verify their knowledge of the procedures. When the DMV office has a clear understanding of the SB100 procedurers, they will direct you to the next step.
A WORD OF WARNING!!!- "DO NOT", try to argue or vary from the procedure!!! My experience was simple. I think Club Cobra has a archived file of the required steps, if they don't, PM me and I'll send you a copy.

Chris

[dlang14]

Thanks for the replys. I didnt realize that I could go to BAR, trying to pass smog and then later opt for the SB100 route. If nothing else I'll go test out Mr Morgesters theory about a new block the replicates an old one (I'm sure my experience will be the same as everyone else, where BAR doesnt recognize the documents, but it'll be entertaining if nothing else)

I havent been to the Gilroy DMV to ask about SB100 yet, but I do plan on it. I'm hesitant to actually say this out loud, but... <knock on wood> my handful of experiences with the Gilroy DMV have actually been very good. I used to live in San Jose, my experiences there were...well not good.

As for having my receipts thats no problem. Having the forms filled out, and filled out correctly is another matter. I tried calling the DMV helpline yesterday, and got flat out wrong information from the lady on the phone. I politely thanked her for her advice, and promptly tossed my notes in the old circle file.

If anyone kept good notes on how to corectly fill out the forms I would love to pick your brain. Thanks again for the help.


Daryl

[SCOBRAC]

I think Morgesters theory is wrong but best of luck. Given his logic sex with a 14 year old girl would be legal as she is merely a newer example of a 28 year old. The way the law is written and intended you have one option with the block you have chosen to use. That said if you can convince the BAR your block is "pre-smog" you might have a chance.

As for the DMV there is no standard for "temporary" permits. They are under no obligation to issue one. I suggest smiling and looking humble.

One enterprising young builder I know started a car dealership and got his dealers license from the DMV and used his dealer plate on his car.

[MaSnaka]

I can tell you I bought a previously owned and titled car from the state of Nevada. The Calif DMV was happy to take my money, send me on a useless trip to the CHP vin office who said I need an SP100 number to get a new vin plate. This was in April two years ago. As I returned to the DMV empty handed, I was told I could drive the car home and keep it on my driveway until the new sp numbers were issued. No temporary registration would be issued. I could not even transfer my name onto a new pink slip. I could not even sell the car. I got a refund on my DMV fees. and stomped off pretty discusted. That folowing Jan. 1st I was at the DMV with 4-5 other guys trying for the sp numbers. The DMV superviser was cool and tried to process all of us together which regiured her to phone our applications into Sacramento. Busy, busy busy. After waiting for a couple hours she said we could go and she would phone us when she got through to them. She had an employee at the phone redialing for hours. At 11:30 she called and said I got a number and to come back to her office to finish the process. That was the easy part. My number was 274 out of 500. After that the CHP and Bar were easy too. Titled on body style not block, that's important if you have a newer block. The BAR issues a sticker saying the car is exempt. I was told by the Vin officer at CHP DO NOT try to get a smog test before your SP100, you do not want to get into the system until you have that number. I would say to be at your DMV office before they open on the first day of the year, regardless of your appointment time. The numbers will be gone fast. Good luck! It's worth it and very satisfying to know you can drive your car legal.

John
Classic Roadster
Silver no stripes

[dlang14]

Thanks for the reply John,

This is one of my main frustrations with the CA process. It changes dramatically. From my research (and I pray I havent screwed this up) the process you decribed WAS the way things were. If I have done my homework most of that is no longer accurate. The SB100 is now only looked at once you visit the BAR. Before that step no one seems to care which method you are using to get through SMOG.

I do have another somewhat urgent questoin. I'm supposed to go to the DMV later today. On the Statement of Construction form it asks.

Engine Year Model:

Is this the year of the block? Does anyone know exactly what goes in this field? Help please. I called the DMV helpline and they are....well less than helpful.

[dlang14]

Well I went to the DMV and got my TOP

Here is my new concern. The DMV didnt charge me tax I asked the lady if I was supposed to pay tax now, or after the registration was 100% complete and she said she didnt think I had to pay tax beyond whatever I had paid for the parts.

I told her I hadnt paid tax on any parts as they were all out of state. She asked the other DMV worker at the counter who also said that I should not pay attitional tax.

I didnt want to be argue with them, since I need them to be helping me, but I was pretty sure that I do in fact have to pay taxes. Anyone have suggestions how to fix this?

I plan on going back to the DMV several times (TOP extension, VIN number in the computer, etc, etc) and I'll just keep asking unless someone can tell me how to fix this. Or for that matter do I need to fix it? I'm pretty sure I do. The last thing I want is some beurocrat pulling my registration because the DMV worker didnt know to tax me.

[Randy Rosenberg]

I would not worry, if I were you. You have the correct and honest intention, and I have a feeling that at some point during the process, someone will say, "Gee, you're right, I can't proceed with processing your title until you pay the proper 'use tax'. Did you bring your check book today? Oh my, this is a rather large number..."

[MaSnaka]

Dlang, I assume you have a newer block year model. In my case I have a '64 block. The guy at the BAR knew without me saying anything I wanted to go by body style which is '65. This way I can use any engine and stay exempt. As I understand it, if you try to register by engine year you have to have an approved California engine even if it's of a vintage year. I'm not sure how to answer your question regarding how to fill in the form...maybe just leave that part blank and see what happens. I would lean heavily on the side of using '65 as the year though. That way your smog should be exempt. Putting it another way...The DMV won't be looking at your casting numbers. The CHP maybe but I doubt it. The BAR officer will just be excited to process a *****en car, he is not the enemy. Play a little dumb and just give them what they ask for. And remember they are people just like we are, except they have the most boring job in the world. Their line of uptight customers never goes away, day after day. So be nice and show some patients and bring a picture of your baby to show them what exactly a Cobra replica looks like. Most don't know. Good luck!

[Zoom This]

Yeh. The tax thing happened to me also. DMV said all was well (locally). Months later I got a bill for my taxes due to DMV. Hang on to your money until DMV comes a knockin'.

[stevem]

Don't even waste your time trying to use 1965 as the year, that will backfire and they will pick it up at a later date, if they even take it to begin with. The car is a 2006 Spcns. The smoging by the body will not even come up if you go in with an SB100 number next year. For now you can go to the BAR as a way to try and get more TOP so you can drive the car for awhile. You may get lucky and find a BAR that will let you use the replacement engine explanation, didn't work for me but getting the SB100 was easy in Marin, they knew all about the process and were very helpful to the 5 of us who showed up. Good luck and don't worry it will all work out in the end.

[2l8iwin]

Hi,

I have just purchaed a cobra from out of state (TN ) I will soon be going through the registration process as well. I also would like any information to help this process to go smooth.

I have a few questions right off the bat looking at the DMV website..

Where in Southern Ca can I get a official brake and light adjustment certificate?

Also where can I get a weight certificate?

Thanks for the help.

[stevem]

You will not need to weight the car, California doesn't require weights. If you go to the Bureau of Automotive Repair ( BAR) you can get a link to all the shops in your area that do brake and light tests. Everything else you need is already posted in this thread. Good luck, it's not as hard as everyone says but it does take time and patience.

[2l8iwin]

Originally Posted by stevem

You will not need to weight the car, California doesn't require weights. If you go to the Bureau of Automotive Repair ( BAR) you can get a link to all the shops in your area that do brake and light tests. Everything else you need is already posted in this thread. Good luck, it's not as hard as everyone says but it does take time and patience.

Hi thanks for the feedback. I was just going by the DMV's site
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcnsreg.htm where it says:
A weight certificate for commercial vehicles weighing 10,000 pounds or less.

[SCOBRAC]

I wouldn't surrender my out of state plates... But to do so is a violation of California law. Yes you would need to go to the DMV and begin the process before attempting to apply for an SB-100 exemption. The two while seemingly related are very separate transactions. You may find it helpful to do this after it starts raining here. In Chico that means November. Doing so will limit the time you are in limbo, maybe operating on a temp. permit, maybe not. Our temporary operating permits are good for a very limited time and up to the DMV you choose to use. You might go in ahead of time and ask the friendly info babe at the counter how long they generally grant them. Best of luck!

[jhwalker]

Daryl,
First post here. Last July I was exactly in your position, including the 427R.

I got my SB100 completed on the first working day of 2006 just as you plan on first working day of 2007. As others have said, have ALL the paperwork neatly completed and your documentation well organized. Be humble and friendly (at my DMV a group came outside to hear it idle). If they are wrong on something, politely but firmly show them the rules. My DMV was a little confused, and their screwup could cost you a year of TOPs.

If they have not done an SB100 recently, they might not know that they have to start calling Sacramento asap the first morning of the year. I went in the last week of the year and met with the manager and reviewed the game plan that I thought was required to make it happen, asked her if it made sense, etc. That made the "morning of" less of a question mark. They considered it a "win" when the SB100 # came thru.

I was able to get three Temporary Operating Permits -- they carried me thru the 10th day of 2006 so I wouldn't be driving around trying to get the DMV and BAR (both of whom really liked the car and gave me NO hassle)
steps completed.
Good luck.
James

[jdog]

I am currently driving my car on a 60 day temp issued by DMV, good thru Oct. I will park in the garage for Nov & Dec. and get in line early Jan 2nd for my SB100 number.

jdog

[Fred Z]

Ok, check this one out!! Here is a good example of a guy and the DMV who cares, likes cars and goes out of his way!!
My car will be ready , end of Sept. I go down to DMV, he comes over, tells the girl and the window, to not take anyone now while we are registering my car. He helps me fill in areas i missed, and then does the following: (some have said this is not right, but he has been doing this for quite sometime, so go figure)
1. looks at my App. for Title or Registration, and Statement of Construction, and receipts for engine, body and chassis, an says, fine!
2. Tells the girl what to put into the computer, it spits out the following: registration form, stating 'incmplete', see above, which states "referred to CHP. Stapled to this is a list of fees......all totalling up to $329.00
3. Along with this is an Application for Assigned Veh. Ident Num Plate..(VIN), signed by him , and me, and needing a CHP to add to it.
4, With all this stuff, is attached receipts for parts, App for Title, State. of Construction, and my Cert of ORigin. The form attached is confirmation of approval of TOP.
Now, I was waiting for the 'heavy fees' for State of Cal..and he says..."no, you already paid those when you bought the car". I say fine and shut up!! He said, here is how it is going to go......You go to SMog REf, they wiil pass you. Go to CHP and they will review receipts and give you a VIN. You are done, untils Jan 2......no need to make appt, here, we have very few of you.......and he has worked at this for a number of years.........and says " just come to window 5 or 6, ask for (**** whom it introduces me to......and says once they get on phone, just be patient, and you should be fine, we have never NOT had one given if they show up on the first day!!
Now, guys.......I know this sounds like BS, but that is exactly to the minute, what happened! I thought it had to be something different, but hey, I asked, he told me what to do. OH AND THE BEST PART....HE GAVE ME A RED 'TOP', WITH A '12' ON IT....WHICH IS GOOD UNTIL THE LAST DAY OF THAT MONTH, WHICH IS DECEMBER!! I do not get it, but he likes us and I hope he is correct!

fred z...........