CA: New criminal cases filed

[Randy Rosenberg]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I was aware the AG's office does not float and pass bills, and it was wishful thinking, but I thought maybe Mr. Morgester might know of anything circulating around the halls that might increase the limit.

Mr. Mogerster has posted here in the past when new bills are drafted/presented. I don't believe that he has influence that we would like him to have or wished that he had. I get the sense that he is feeding us this information, so that we can, as a group, can pressure our representatives to act (in our favor).

Cal: AB 619 Vehicle Registration Amnesty

Honestly, I appreciate him posting on our forum, answering questions, and putting up with the "CA Bashing". He's got a job to do (like many of us) which is to meet the goals and objectives set by his management.

And he's the only government employee I've ever seen post on Club Cobra, and given the highly sensitive nature of this topic of CA Titling, I appreciate his presence here even more.

[JohnWorthing848]

JW-you still don't get it.

I get it! You registered your car through TU "illegally" when youn lived in CA. When you moved to AZ the CA DMV sent you a love letter asking for your illegal tiltle to be returned to them.

That very act by CA DMV removed their potential liability from you selling your car to some poor fool as a 1965 Ford Cobra.

Get it!

BTW: I am surprised they did not include a bill of unpaid sales tax along with the love letter.

[jdog]

Originally Posted by JohnWorthing848

BTW: I am surprised they did not include a bill of unpaid sales tax along with the love letter.

Those he can pay off while pressing license plates in prison, at $.30 per hour!

jdog
P.S. He'll also get his sentence reduced by a day, for each day he works!

[xlr8or]

Amazing how much of the CA bashing comes from people that don't even live in the state.

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

If anyone remembers, recently a similar problem regarding emissions testing for composite cars (Cobras and street rod replicas) in CT. was addressed in this forum, brought to the attention of a prominant CT. representative, and with her help and communication of interested parties through Club Cobra forums, legislation was adopted to waive emissions requirements for any Kit car registered in the state of CT as of 7/1/07. IT CAN BE DONE! It just takes lots of hard work and COMMUNICATION within the hobby.
These threads are still somewhat active and can be read by all for reference.

[Jamo]

That's it.

If you don't live in California...get off this phuking thread now. No if, ands or butts.

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

Whoa now! Much of this thread deals with CA's requirement for emisions testing, as well as CA not recognizing titled cars from 49 other states. I think this should not exclude others with something to say regarding these issues.

[Jamo]

You don't vote in California.

If someone is moving to California in the near future and has a question about what the law is here, fine. Otherwise, comments from third world states (the other 49) are irrelevant. Tired of the pissing matches and incorrect statements (not directed to you, BTW).

I realize you may not agree with it, but end of discussion...so that this thread in this particular reference forum can actually be beneficial to those that live here or will be using its laws in the near future.

[Jamo]

Now...one more time for everyone else: This is the Registration Forum. It was created by Brent as a reference source for folks seeking information. It is not a debating forum.

[Bx1]

Originally Posted by jdog

Bx1, do you remember last Sat when I said that Morgester was after your car? And that you should get in line in Jan for an SB100 #?

This is what I was talking about!

Lay low until Jan & then GET ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS!

jdog
P.S. How's that Techron working?

Yes, I remember... I intend to get inline Jan. 2, 2008....

[Morgester]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

John,

I think you missed the point several threads ago on this subject. Some state REQUIRE the owner to title it as the year and model it replicates. This is not fraud when the issuing state or county jurisdication states it as a matter of law. The problem starts when another state voids that legally issued title (which then really becomes a Federal offense for tampering with a VIN and title chain) and attempts to rewrite the laws and the title chain for it's own politically motivated purposes.

Bill S.

There seems to be some confusion regarding bringing in a specially constructed vehicle that has been “legally titled” in another state.

Vehicle Code § 4304. Effect of foreign certificates of title

Upon application for registration of a vehicle previously registered outside this State, the department shall grant full faith and credit to the currently valid certificate of title describing the vehicle, the ownership thereof, and any liens thereon, issued by the state in which the vehicle was last registered, except that the laws of the state shall provide for the notation upon the certificate of title of any and all liens and encumbrances other than those dependent upon possession.

By statute California is required to honor the previously issued title if it was legally issued. The question is does that mean California also has to honor the issued “year of manufacture” for emission testing purposes? I have asked DMV this question and they “will get back to me.”

I have seen DMV in the past require legally titled out-of-state vehicles that are kit cars pass emission testing based on the SPCN rules. In short you can call it anything you want but it still has to pass emissions test under the SPCN rules.

Obviously there is an argument that in granting “full faith and credit” to the description of the vehicle would include they year of manufacture (1965), which in turn would mean that the vehicle is smog exempt. Unique loop hole that only lawyers could appreciate.

My recommendation, for what it is worth, is full disclosure. If DMV is aware that your 2007 kit car was legally registered pursuant to state law as a 1965 Ford, how DMV chooses to handle it is up to DMV. At some point I am sure we will have an answer.

[Jamo]

Excellent direct question, and a helpful direct answer...that's what the Registration Forum is for.

Thank you both.

[Chaplin]

Morgester-
Alas! You have gotten to the issue which I have been bringing up over the last few year(s?). That is the rub, as they say.

I have my own thoughts on what the correct answer is, but I'm sure you already know what they are so I won't bore you (again) with them.

Good on you for sticking around and checking it out.

[vanoochka]

A couple of months agao, I purchased an out-of-state Superformance Cobra titled as "1965", and registered it in California before I had found this site and before I knew of the SB100 situation.

My car actually has two different VIN's: the original one that came with the car (riveted to a cross member) and the one that the other state attached to it, right next to the original.

When I went to DMV to register the car, there was some confusion as to which VIN should be used. Finally, a DMV supervisor came out, looked at the VIN plates and made the decision to use the VIN assigned by the other state (not the original) for California registration/title purposes. He said the rule was to accept the VIN attached by the other state.

I don't know if this situation relates in any way to California DMV giving "full faith and credit" to the model year noted on the title issued by the other state or not, but thought I would post it for comment.

In any event, I don't plan on being the test case for this, and so will take Mr. Morgester's advice and be on line on January 2nd (sigh).

[Morgester]

I am curious, did DMV keep the year for emission testing (were you smog exempt)?

[vanoochka]

They didn't require a smog test, and my California registration and title note that it is a 1965 model year.

Is that what you are asking?

[Excaliber]

Hawaii issue's their own STATE Vin, as I understand Arizona does also. In my case, Hawaii, they used the manufacturers assigned vin number, "ERA154". NOTE: The car formerly had a CALIF. vin all ready assigned as well! 6 characters are far short of the expected 17 character number/letter combo normally used. No smog laws in Hawaii.

[Jamo]

Vanoochka....interesting, to say the least. Probably not a bad idea to grab some coffee and donuts and get up early on January 2 like you're planning.

Slick...thanks. Please remember to post that on the Hawaii Registration Thread.

[Excaliber]

Jamo, I think the key here is the car formerly had a Calif vin, changed by Hawaii. While I don't live in Calif, it's a huge market should I decide to sell or even move. It's important to understand how Calif/out of state titles/vins work in that regard for many of us out of state.

[Jamo]

OK...you're right given that you're selling it and nobody in Tahiti is biting.

Just trying to keep it on track.