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01-29-2019, 10:29 AM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hillsboro,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Scratch built CSX style frame, Carbon fiber body, 393 Stroker, T-bird IRS, T5
Posts: 1,623
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Is it real?
I've had my scratch built on the road for about 2 years now and I still get this question. Most of the time it is "is it real, or is it a kit car?".
I try not to have an ego about this thing- after all I built it for me and I don't expect anyone else to understand my motivations or desire for this car but trying to tell somebody "no, it's not a kit car and it's not an original, I built it pretty much from scratch" can be kind of draining. But not for the reasons you would think.
To explain to someone why or how you built one of these cars from scratch means explaining why you decided to go that route, how you accomplished it, the research that went into it, the parts and pieces, friends you made in the process, etc.... How do you explain all that in a short conversation? Most of the time after a couple sentences, the guy asking the question has a blank look on his face and looks like it is time to move on to the next car at the show, or cruise in, or change his babie's diaper, or......
So, I know there are only a few of us here but how do you guys explain this to "interested" parties?
Bob
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01-29-2019, 10:51 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Gurnee,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #259
Posts: 1,396
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It’s a “Morris/Kirkham”.......that really confuses the issue....
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Morris
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01-29-2019, 11:40 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Morris
It’s a “Morris/Kirkham”.......that really confuses the issue....
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Had a friend in high school that drove a Morris Marina. That may have been the ugliest car I have every actually ridden in in my life.
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01-29-2019, 11:43 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,012
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In fact, to this day, if you Google "POS car" it will bounce you to pic of the Morris Marina.
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01-29-2019, 11:57 AM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,591
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Nope, I have you beat. My girlfriend from WAY back owned a Datsun B210 Honey Bee. That's the ugliest POS car ever built.
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01-29-2019, 12:03 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Louisville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: I'm Cobra-less!
Posts: 9,417
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My parents owned a Honey Bee when I was born/toddler.
I remember talking to them about it and they said that they were worried when they first bought it because they didn't know if they could afford the $60/month payment.
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01-29-2019, 12:22 PM
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Half-Ass Member
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
My parents owned a Honey Bee when I was born/toddler.
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Hmmmm, any chance you were conceived in that Honey Bee? That could explain a lot....
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01-29-2019, 12:24 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Louisville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: I'm Cobra-less!
Posts: 9,417
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Hittin the cocaine this early in the day?
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01-29-2019, 12:29 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,591
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Originally Posted by blykins
Hittin the cocaine this early in the day?
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I don't think people do cocaine anymore. Opiods are the ticket.
That Honey Bee was embarassing to drive around in. But she, the girlfriend, not the car, was worth it.
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01-29-2019, 01:03 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: North of London,
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Cobra Make, Engine: AC Cars Limited, 302 EFI
Posts: 204
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I share the OP’s weariness with the original question. I think we all feel that we don’t have to justify the validity of our machine, to a thrill seeking total stranger. I mean he wouldn’t dare ask a Ferrari owner how much it cost, but somehow he needs to justify that the car he is excited about is period original. Almost as if we need to reassure him of his good judgment.
I’d just say, obviously it’s real but newly constructed, taking advantage all the lessons learned in the interim. As you will doubtless appreciate a far better proposition than the 1960s cars, which of course never had the benefit of 50 years development and improvement.
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01-29-2019, 01:05 PM
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Full Blown Member
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
Posts: 2,594
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You got to have a thick skin with these cars.
I'm truthful and succinct. If they want more, they'll ask.
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rodneym
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01-29-2019, 02:07 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Gurnee,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #259
Posts: 1,396
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
In fact, to this day, if you Google "POS car" it will bounce you to pic of the Morris .
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Are you saying my car is a POS.....???
Where’s Patrick when I want to have some fun....
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01-29-2019, 02:53 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Charlottesville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Coombe, Shelby Block 496
Posts: 1,187
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When asked, 9 out of 10 times I answer, it's a copy.
Every now and then If I think it's needed I will have a little fun with an answer.
If more questions are asked and someone shows an interest I will give more details.
Most of the time it's all good fun.
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01-29-2019, 03:13 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Charlottesville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Coombe, Shelby Block 496
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True story,
I had just finished a 427 cobra build and was taking a test drive, as I was driving down the road an oncoming car passed me and I noticed his brake lights come on.
Dang, plain clothes cop I was thinking, I kept going and pulled into the Post office and here he comes.
The guy parks and comes over and the questions start, all good.
Then he asked to take a picture, I said help your self just be careful of the side pipes, Hot!
The guy then asked if I would open the hood so he could look at the engine, sure no problem!
He asked again to take a picture, sure no problem.
The next thing that happened was a total surprise to both of us, he fell into the engine bay
With both feet in the air, face down on the other side value cover,
I grabbed him by back of his shirt and pulled him back to earth. Wow!!
Lucky no damage to him or the car, guy was very embarrassed and very apologetic.
Lucky for the paint the guy was a Doctor and had scrubs on.
Be careful out there.
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01-29-2019, 03:19 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Chicago,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX4***
Posts: 52
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He must be a wiz in the operating room!
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01-29-2019, 06:27 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Manchester,
NH
Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302 Street), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and COB5999 (427 S/C)
Posts: 19,041
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I usually say it’s a replica.
Not a kit, wished at times it was.
Not original, as I am not that financially successful.
If they ask if it’s a 427, I say yes and run...
Now and then I get s real enthusiast which is nice.
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01-29-2019, 06:34 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hillsboro,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Scratch built CSX style frame, Carbon fiber body, 393 Stroker, T-bird IRS, T5
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I'm not really complaining, just sometimes left a little dumbfounded about what to say or wonder if I'm giving a neophyte more info than they can process at times. I usually tell people that if I had been smart, I would have built a kit- would have been a lot easier...
However, once in a while I do get a real enthusiast and the conversations can be real interesting at times.
Bob
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01-29-2019, 07:47 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: White City,
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Cobra Make, Engine: West Coast, 460 CID
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
Had a friend in high school that drove a Morris Marina. That may have been the ugliest car I have every actually ridden in in my life.
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More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Marina
Okay, not the best looking car out there, but still nowhere near as fugly as a Pontiac Aztek:
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01-30-2019, 01:40 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2014
Cobra Make, Engine: Scratch Built with 482 FE
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I have a real Shelby and a replica. Most common question on both is “Can I buy that from you?” Secondary is what is that and in both cases i usually say replica....
SB
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01-30-2019, 02:05 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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This might have been the exact car I remember. If not, it's a friggin' clone.
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