CSX3060 "completion" Cobra for sale in Japan

[SunDude]

Shelby Japan Co. Ltd. in Kanagawa prefecture, which is the official Japanese importer of Shelby and Superformance cars, has two of the nine so-called "completion" Cobras for sale. These are two of the cars whose "unused" chassis Shelby apparently "found" (ahem ) in the mid-1990s and had produced to 427S/C spec.

Specifically the cars in question are:

• chassis number CSX3058, asking price is 44.6 million yen (approx. $492,000 USD), and
• chassis number CSX3060, asking price is 25.0 million yen (approx. $275,000 USD).

Shelby Japan also has a couple of Contemporary Classic Cobra replicas for sale, namely:

• chassis number CCX-3456, which is a 1991 model, asking price if 5.8 million yen (approx. $64,000 USD), and
• chassis number CCX3-3634, which is a 1992 model, asking price is 6.8 million yen (approx. $75,000 USD)

[Woodz428]

Not sure on shipping fees, but the cost sounds very low. That may have to do with,reportedly, certain states( maybe the feds??) not allowing them to ever be registered. It may be only Ca., I only recall what I read here in earlier threads regarding these cars. It may not be all of them, but I know that there were 2 mentioned at that time that were reported to have sold for $500,000 at the time. I'll bet someone of less integrity, could use another serial number and resell them as other cars....not that it would ever happen. We all know that there is no lack of integrity when it comes to these cars

[CSX3183]

Why is one twice as much as the other, when the cheaper one looks better?

[computerworks]

Interesting...just about all of those pics of CSX3060 are the exact photos used in an eBay offering of the car .....in July 2005

[What'saCobra?]

CSX 3058, Shelby Cobra 427 SC, was shown at an auction in Boca Raton about 5 years ago, not sure if it made its very high reserve. i don't think it has ever been registered, at least not with that title signed by Shelby, but Bill might know better about the details.

i am not a neutral party in this issue, as i have the AC Cars CSX 3058, the last of the very few "real" 427 SC's made by AC Cars, Ltd, England, in the early 90's. They were never Shelby cars, but were sold into GB, Finland, Jersey Isles and Germany, one each.

Of course, a few more were made by the later AC Cars Group, Ltd, but not recorded as CSX 30XX cars, [or, alternatively, if they were, they were not legal with the applicable and required British/German standards, since the "grandfather" clause exceptions on emissions and crash safety were canceled upon the closing of AC Cars, Ltd, England and the sale of its assets only.]

The Shelby 3058 is very interesting, because of the notorious story about its "origins" by Shelby/McCluskey and its high current price.

[berzerko]

why does the contemporary engine plate state yokahoma japan not mt. vernon N.Y

[FUNFER2]

Hey Rick Lake, you're a smart dude, please tell us what this says.

1990年頃当時日本のSONYトレーディング社とマクラスキー社との間で進められたプロジェクトで,あの キャロル シェルビー氏が,25台の限定で,まったく当時のスペックで再生産を行うと言うものでした。
当時の販売価格は,1億円(金額はus$500,000FOB)でした。
当時為替が1時165円と言う大変な円安だったため,日本国内では非常に高価な物になっていま した。
合計25台製作される予定でスタートして,合計8台の再生産コブラが販売され,日本国内の1台 であります。
今回ご案内いたしますのは，CSX3058 です。
結局日本には台CSX3058・CSX3059・CSX3060・ CSX3063 4台のこのコンティニューション コブラが輸入され，現在日本に残って居るのは，CSX3059 （Red）CSX3063(ブラック）のみの2台です。

[computerworks]

....SONY in 1990 in Japan around the time the project was carried out between the company and McCluskey's limited partnership with Mr. Carroll Shelby were said to produce any replicas of the time.

Price at the time, was 100 million yen (price is us $ 500,000 FOB).
Exchange rate at the time was 1:00 for 165 yen, a very weak yen, now in Japan that has now become very expensive material.

I began the project a total of 25 units will be manufactured, sold a total of eight units Cobra reproduction, one in Japan. Of this, CSX3058 was one of ours.

After all the cars in Japan CSX3058 · CSX3059 · CSX3060 · CSX3063 ( 4 Continuation) this Cobra is imported, and is currently staying in Japan. CSX3059 (Red) CSX3063 (Black) is one of only two.

[somedayaurora]

Nice find Sundude . So what the difference between these and a CSX 4xxxx , CSX3XXX serial number and registration issues ?
SDR
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[Excaliber]

There was recently some talk about the most accurate definition of the word "replica". Serious question, not trying to be funny or controversial.

I would think the completition cars would stand up to most rigorous definition of the word in that these cars are truly very very accurate replications of the original.

Which then begs the question: Are these really accurate on every level, every detail to the originals?

The completition cars were "black listed" in California for various legal reasons arising out of their manufacturer. It's a long and complicated story, the short version is: Shelby made the entire car, like Ford or Chevy makes a car. The car does not meet Federal guidelines, therefore cannot be registered in California (possibly other states as well). TODAY Shelby makes a car, only a "roller" car, he does not install a MOTOR, if he did, he would be violating Federal law(s) and would have the same problem these completition series cars currently have.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by somedayaurora

So what the difference between these and a CSX 4xxxx , CSX3XXX serial number and registration issues ?
SDR

These are the "completion" cars, above CSX3058. Taking the unused Comp s/n's from the 60's, Shelby began re-making 427S/Cs in the early 90's and assigning those numbers...selling each car for $500k. This was a time when original values were climbing rapidly.

Tangled story with CA DMV, etc. that has been retold many times. (and is recounted in detail in the SAAC World Registry).
....net effect though is that only a handful were made and the car is designated "not for highway use" in CA.

They have value...somewhere between the current CSX replicas and the real deals. If nothing else, they are outstanding hand-made aluminum replicas crafted by Mike McCluskey.

[1985 CCX]

Interesting CCX3456 frame upgrades, I like that!

[What'saCobra?]

CompWks
Would you please re-state the differences between "completition" and "completion" for me, please? i am confused about it.

What was/were the difference(s) between Shelby's 3056, 3057, 3058 and those starting with 3059 and up? Were you involved in the project? i would love to know more about it.

At the time, i was "working with" Brian Angliss on a handful of cars, including Lightweights, 427 S/C's, a few 289's and a coupe (which was never done). i was there during the rather heated arguments with CS and the various suits, but only know the bit and pieces of the CS side of things with Mike.

Thanks,
Victor

[Excaliber]

What'saCobra, the question remains unresolved, perhaps YOU can shed some light on it.

ARE there any subtle differences in the specifications or build of the completition (or completion, whatever works for you) that deviate from the originals?

Aside from the fact that all new materials were used, Mike did the construction, etc.

[computerworks]

Would you please re-state the differences between "completition" and "completion"

huh? Completion are these cars, Continuation are the present production cars.


Multipage write up on the Completion cars in the SAAC Registry...reference that, too much too retype.

No difference in the cars you mentioned. They only made less than 10; many went to Japan.

(my earlier post was not 'original'... I just ran the Japanese text thru a translator)

[Buzz]

FUNFER2


Hey Rick Lake, you're a smart dude, please tell us what this says.

Originally Posted by computerworks

(my earlier post was not 'original'... I just ran the Japanese text thru a translator)

Yes and thanks, but I was really looking forward to Rick Lake's version.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Yes and thanks, but I was really looking forward to Rick Lake's version.

Rick would essentially say the same thing. But, he would put it in all caps, use a dash of creative spelling, sprinkle in a few homonyms that, while being blatantly wrong still evidenced his obvious knowledge of the subject, and then cap it off with a healthy dose of friendly emoticons at the end just because, deep down, he's a pretty nice guy.

[Buzz]

Patrickt patrick Rick is a nice guy and also one of the most helpful people on the forum.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Patrickt patrick Rick is a nice guy and also one of the most helpful people on the forum.

Yes, and Rick knows that I love him.

[What'saCobra?]

CW
Auto translation wrote 'complitition', i understand. i had never heard of a variance between Shel's 3058 and 3059, either. i did read both the 1997 SAAC opinion and the newest. Perhaps i need to visit the court documents surrounding the charges against Shelby to get the whole story.

Ex-caliper
i cannot add anything valuable to the SAAC article regarding the Shelby issues of the completion series. Frankly, IMHO, i think that the use of 'completion' for those cars is in error somewhat, since the serial numbers were clearly admitted to be fictitious (not from AC). This latter point is further justified by CS's refusal to continue to use the CSX 30XX serial numbers after the CA criminal investigations and the complaints by and agreement(s) with AC Cars, Ltd et al. If CS thought the numbers were correctly "completion" and well and properly within his rights, he would have continually used them, would he not? Wink.

At the time, i did look at the actual AC registry from Brian Angliss's safe storage and those latter-day Shelby chassis were never entered, but all the other history of AC were within the book. [i don't recall the serial numbers of the oldest in the book, but they went way back before the Cobras.]

By the way, the AC factory nomenclature in the Registry further calls our car an "AC 427 Mark III SC", which is consistent with British and AC practice in the middle nineties. The Certification also states that it "...was manufactured by AC Cars Limited using the original Cobra Tooling."

Well, that IS what it says, but those tools had been re-built enough times to be a bit like George Washington's "original" axe, the hickory handle of which was replaced several times and the head of which was replaced at least once, all by the "original" owner.
(Insert laugh track here.)

Further, AC under Angliss during the middle and late nineties also decided not to ship any more cars with those same 30XX serial numbers after the very very few that had already been made (up to and stopping with my 3058, the last AC Cars Limited, England, completion/continuation car). There was really no known reason requiring AC to stop, but it was either an informal agreement with CS, a formal secret agreement or a courtesy. i don't know which or none. Sadly, i recall that they didn't have much available courtesy betwixt themselves at the time of the cross-suits, that's for sure!

The 30xx continuation cars from AC Cars, Ltd, England, were built to the original "as shipped" design specification on record and to original AC drawings. If CS or SA had added gussets or bits attached to "as raced" specifications, if they existed, i haven't seen any. Several knowledgeable persons have seen our 3058 and cannot find any variances between the originals and the AC continuations (3056, 3057, 3058).

i do not know if any variances exist on the McCluskey-built Shelby-claimed "completions". i would expect that the "continuations" would be very accurate (i would expect McCluskey to be rather meticulous about that point in the day), while Shelby's later CSX 4XXX, 5XXX, 6XXX, etc are different in both simple and less than obvious ways. ie: fiberglass bodies in some, non-Girling brakes in others and much more... continuing today.

Beyond these musings,
I know nothing!