CSX3016 for sale through Exotic Classics, Syosset NY

[SunDude]

I just came across the following listing for CSX3016, an original 427 full competition Cobra, which is for sale through Exotic Classics in Syosset, New York. No affiliation with the seller; am just posting for interest's sake.

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1965 Shelby CSX3016 Factory 427 Competition Car | Call for Price
1965 Shelby CSX 3016 Factory 427 Competition Car -

In the mid 1960s Shelby CSX3016 was also known as the car that broke the track record at Watkins Glen and could be seen racing at some of the best race tracks in the northeast such as Bridgehampton and Limerock. It was also winner of the 1966 Sebring.

Caroll Shelby produced just over 300 big block 427 Shelby Cobras. 260 were made for street use, 27 were made for semi competition use referred to as SCs and just 21 full competition cars.

Carroll Shelby's cars were so fast that when a road test was performed by a major automotive magazine against what was considered one of the fastest cars of its day, the Aston Martin DB4, which could accelerate from 0 to 100 mph and back to 0 in 30 seconds. The Shelby by comparison could cover the same ground in an astonishing 13.2 seconds.

Shelby's Cobras went on to win the FIA World Manufacturer's Championship in 1963,1964 and 1965.

Shelby Cobras won the U.S. Manufacturer's Championship in 1963, 1964 and 1965. Also winning the FIA world manufacturer's championship in 1965.

[DMXF]

That car is a fake, the real 3016 was unearthed some years ago...

[LMH]

Not exactly a fake, more like rebuild with some original parts combined with parts of another car. Albiet not very many parts off the original!
Larry

[DMXF]

Not correct, there is nothing in or about that car traceable to the original

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by LMH

Not exactly a fake, more like rebuild with some original parts combined with parts of another car. Albiet not very many parts off the original!
Larry

I don't know that anyone has confirmed any part on the car came from the original CSX3016? I'd suggest anyone interested should do their due diligence.

[LMH]

While I agree that the original shock tower, stamped "CSX3016" welded into another chassis isn't much of the original car, it is none the less original. Apparently the state of California also thinks so.
Larry

[LMH]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

I don't know that anyone has confirmed any part on the car came from the original CSX3016? I'd suggest anyone interested should do their due diligence.

That's true, I may be giving it a nod towards "original"more than I should but on the other hand, it would be pretty hard to prove it's not from the original unless those parts suddenly appeared.
Larry

[DMXF]

Larry - People who have been involved in uncovering the original car remains and history know that the shock tower bracket on the car being sold in Syosset is not the original and there is no legitimate paperwork assigning ownership of the CSX3016 chassis number to that car. There are ownership trail affidavits of the real 3016 back to new and the person who had it in his back yard for decades has attested in one that he never sold anything off the car. Anyone who may be interested in the car being offered in Syosset should at least be warned, especially since the rightful owner of the real car is rebuilding/restoring it

[WardL]

How did the original get buried?

[LMH]

Originally Posted by DMXF

Larry - People who have been involved in uncovering the original car remains and history know that the shock tower bracket on the car being sold in Syosset is not the original and there is no legitimate paperwork assigning ownership of the CSX3016 chassis number to that car. There are ownership trail affidavits of the real 3016 back to new and the person who had it in his back yard for decades has attested in one that he never sold anything off the car. Anyone who may be interested in the car being offered in Syosset should at least be warned, especially since the rightful owner of the real car is rebuilding/restoring it

Totally agree that any potential buyer needs to understand the situation with the car. What you are saying is not what is reflected in the registry though, so how would a potential buyer find out the truth about the car?
Larry

[1ntCobra]

The registry entry seems very confusing.

Is this the street car with a CSX32xx or CSX33xx chassis into which someone welded a new shock tower with the CSX3016 serial number?

[DMXF]

Originally Posted by LMH

Totally agree that any potential buyer needs to understand the situation with the car. What you are saying is not what is reflected in the registry though, so how would a potential buyer find out the truth about the car?
Larry

The last registry did alert people to an undesirable situation with the Syosset car relative to what had been documented in the earlier registries. There is no reference to documentation assigning the right to ownership of the 3016 chassis number to that car. It was even stated in the '08 edition how the Syosset car was previously identified as 3106. Most people don't need more info than that to stay away from the car. However, as is the case with each edition of the registry, additional information keeps coming in. It has also been difficult for people to step forward with pertinent info into the threat of potential litigation. The owner of the real car has what he has and that has been enough for him. I'm sure if potential buyers contact Ned he will warn them of getting involved with the car for sale.

[ERA Chas]

^^^Especially with Ede heads and a Walmart air cleaner!

[LMH]

Wow! Think of the mess it will be when the lawyers and the government get involved. And of course, the money it will take to straighten it out. The car has/had a California title
which shows the chassis number as 3016. There won't be any previous title history from CA as they don't keep records for more than ten years. ( I've been down this road already trying to find my bosses old CSX)

So what car is this one for sale?
Larry

[DMXF]

Originally Posted by LMH

Wow! Think of the mess it will be when the lawyers and the government get involved. And of course, the money it will take to straighten it out. The car has/had a California title
which shows the chassis number as 3016. There won't be any previous title history from CA as they don't keep records for more than ten years. ( I've been down this road already trying to find my bosses old CSX)

So what car is this one for sale?
Larry

A number of falsely identified cars have had their identity cleared up without much complication or expense. It comes down to how reasonable the owner is in simply removing the incorrect number from the car. The DMV history is irrelevant, that is not what determines ownership.

Yes, having the identity surfaced of the car that was used to make this one may be the best way for the owner to minimize loss. While there is no doubt a new replacement car wearing that number, there would still probably be more residual value in the Syosset car if it were conveyed as consisting of the majority of the chassis number that it started life as.

[ACademic]

Thank goodness that I don't have a couple million dollars lying around...you guys just saved me a bundle!

[dcdoug]

How is this not basic fraud?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by dcdoug

How is this not basic fraud?

Absence of scienter.

[Thor maine]

My question is , when does a real genuine Shelby from the 60's stop being a real genuine Shelby from the 60's??? So say you have a real genuine Shelby from the 60's that has done a lot of racing. Ok so being a racer it does not have the original motor that being the nature of racing you change and destroy engines. and say that maybe the car has been in so much race action that very little of the original body is left. And say that we throw in a few major accidents and the main frame rail has been replaced and say while you are there you replace the other rail to with a thicker higher quality tubing and a lot of the suspension is replaced with higher quality pieces( Carroll Shelby said " Ac used a lot of pot metal". So is this car still a real genuine Shelby Cobra???

[dcdoug]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Absence of scienter.

Possibly.