Superformance MKIII vs Shelby CSX.....2016

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Bernica

I am not worthy of joining the P-Car forum and really have no desire.
But, you've gotta admit this thread would be one he would be railing on!

The water-cooled section of the p-car forum is all about values, wheels, waxes, leather conditioning, best oils and body wraps. So Bernica, you MAY not fit in there.

BTW, Evan's new Porsche 911 GT3RS does have a full body wrap and it's one of those matte finishes. Not a big fan of matte finish, but that's a personal touch that some like.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

RK shame on you. You know better than most that past performance doesn't guarantee future returns.
Plus if we were to do the sums SPF have seemingly seen an inflation in price % wise on par with CSX.

I never said anything about guarantees. But, go back to 1996, or 1986 or 1976, and you'll see similar returns. 40 years is a pretty good run don't you think.

As for comparative appreciation rates between Cobra replica brands, do you have any statistical analysis of the various brands to prove your hypothesis?

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

As for comparative appreciation rates between Cobra replica brands, do you have any statistical analysis of the various brands to prove your hypothesis?

Just my experience watching the market.
Of course there are outlier examples in each case.

[NewYorkGuy]

OP,
They are all replicas/Kit cars. Get the brand that fits your budget.
Just think of buying an airplane ticket. Everyone is going to the same destination:
First class- shelby
Business class- Kirkham
Coach- spf, era, backdraft,
Economy discount- FFR

[buddyg]

Can someone explain to me the differences in the body between an original and an SPF?

Thanks!

[JWilly]

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The 2 cars above are my babies. The red car is an SPF and the blue car is a continuation Cobra (CSX 6029, glass). I purchased the red car new in 2007 and the blue car new in 2010. Most of the differences between the 2 cars are not readily visible (e.g. the frames). The differences most people pick up on quickly are that the red car lacks the front radiator fans and the blue car has the battery behind the passenger seat whereas the battery of the red car is in the trunk. The other, more subtle differences, few people notice. The biggest differences are the drivetrains and the tires (choices I made). The red car has the small block 351W (Roush 402R) with a 5 speed Tremec and the blue car has the BB FE with the 4 speed top loader. The red car turns about 2000 rpm at highway speeds and the blue car turns about 2700 rpm at highway speeds. The blue car has the Goodyear Billboards and the red car has Yoko Avids (soon to be Avons). Needless to say, the blue car tracks and it is hard to turn at very low speeds (but I love the look).
How did I end up with 2 cobra replicas? I had the SPF and I really enjoyed it but I decided I wanted something with the Shelby name attached. The Shelby Mustang just did not speak to me so it had to be the continuation Cobra, so I got it. I enjoyed the SPF enough that I had no interest in selling it (still don’t). So 2 Cobra roadsters it is.
The SPF is easier to manage and I drive it more than the blue one but I enjoy them both because each is a somewhat different driving experience (the blue car is a bit noisier and more raw). As for $...I expect that when I do sell the SPF I will get $15K-$20K less than I have in it. On the other hand, I have been offered considerably more for the CSX than I have in it. However, I would never recommend buying either of these as an investment. You never know where the market will be when it comes time to sell.

[JWilly]

Oops, @$@$%@$#!$$ pictures did not show. I am trying again.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

OP,
They are all replicas/Kit cars. Get the brand that fits your budget.
Just think of buying an airplane ticket. Everyone is going to the same destination:
First class- shelby
Business class- Kirkham
Coach- spf, era, backdraft,
Economy discount- FFR

And then there are those who can't afford a plane ticket and ride the NYC Subway.

The OP's question is about the comparison between the SPF and CSX. The OP doesn't need the opinion from someone who has never owned nor driven any Cobra.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

OP,
They are all replicas/Kit cars. Get the brand that fits your budget.
Just think of buying an airplane ticket. Everyone is going to the same destination:
First class- shelby
Business class- Kirkham
Coach- spf, era, backdraft,
Economy discount- FFR
Wannabee wankers- Nissan Leaf

They are all going to the same place but the first class pax arrive 3/1000 of a second before the coach people. And the captain and first officer arrive before that......and get paid to do it!

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And then there are those who can't afford a plane ticket and ride the NYC Subway.

The OP's question is about the comparison between the SPF and CSX. The OP doesn't need the opinion from someone who has never owned nor driven any Cobra.

Correct. Ive only seen cobras in museums, car shows, or at fancy car auctions.

BTW, Are you stalking Mr Evan in the P forum? U just cant quit him. I dont believe he stalks you.

[ASO544]

Anyone got any pics of a comparison showing the areas of the body differences?

I always though there was an appearance difference between the CSX and SPF cars ......just odd that they are built by same company ( somewhat) and are that different. I would think SPF would alter their body to be the same as the CSX to make it both more original and possible appealing......plus would make manufacturing easier I'd think if the 2 shared the same molding for the body. Then again I'm no cobra or manufacturing expert so I'm probably missing out on the real reason. No doubt, to me, the CSX car has a more appealing body/stance.

ASO544

Originally Posted by 66gtk

The body shape/proportions in areas are quite different as well between glass SPF and glass CSX. These cars are more different than similar IMHO. Certainly just as different as an SPF is to say an ERA.

[RodKnock]

Maybe someone who's more adept at posting side-by-side pics can post, but if look at both bodies, the rear hips, butt, nose, fenders, etc., you will see that there are clearly differences in appearance between the two. And the CSX is closer to being spot-on than the SPF.

And it should be for the price variance.

[Bernica]

This is all I have for some comparisons and it doesn't include the SPF, but thought I would post it anyways. I believe I got this a long time ago from somewhere on this site.

[Rich A]

Just my two cents,

ANY Shelby built after May 10, 2012 is not a true Shelby but just a sale gimmick.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by Rich A

Just my two cents,

ANY Shelby built after May 10, 2012 is not a true Shelby but just a sale gimmick.

And so all the Fords sold since Henry the first died aren't really "Fords" at all?

Geez, please don't tell the Ferrari buyers of the last twenty years that Enzo is gone!

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by Rich A

Just my two cents,

ANY Shelby built after May 10, 2012 is not a true Shelby but just a sale gimmick.

So, that's true for Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche?...the list goes on.

[Three Peaks]

Talk about opening a can of worms! Again!

If you are buying for the driving experience and don't know the difference between the 2 cars mentioned, you may be better off getting a Factory Five. If you are going for the investment angle, put your money in blue chip stocks and buy a Miata to drive.....

That should get the natives beating their drums.....

Bob

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Rich A

Just my two cents,

ANY Shelby built after May 10, 2012 is not a true Shelby but just a sale gimmick.

We've litigated this case a million times. We've mowed this lawn before. We've plowed this field a few times.

And Shelby's passing has zero to do with it.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Bernica

So, that's true for Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche?...the list goes on.

It's not when Ferdinand died, but when Porsche went all mass-production Mr. Roboto with those water-cooled whiz bangs.

Real Porsche 911's ended there.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

It's not when Ferdinand died, but when Porsche went all mass-production Mr. Roboto with those water-cooled whiz bangs.

Real Porsche 911's ended there.

You're quoting an old Styx tune??