csx4000 build shut down?

[BlueRooster]

I wouldn't be bemused tddnepa. Turk asked you several times for an email, he gave you three addresses. He also asked for you to send a PM. You responded that you sent a few emails and a couple PMs. None reached their destination. If you can post, you can PM so I doubt that a PM was sent. Maybe Turk erased the emails by mistake, but for some reason, I don't think he did.

When you post something like what you posted above, you need to be responsible. There are bunch of guys on this site that plunked down $10,000 for one of these cars sight unseen. Think before you type.

BTW, its not "catty" to try to weed through the sea of BS from people with less than 10 total posts. Don't take offense, just be responsible and a little more forthcoming.

Dane623

[tddnepa]

I did send the email... i don't know what happened, as I say, maybe i misspelled his screen name.

how is it irresponsible for me to ask if something i heard was true...and as you read the email about the source, you'll see that it's not relevent anyway. i said all along i didn't know how viable the information was. THATS WHY I ASKED ON THE MANUFACTURERS FORUM.

but dont worry, Blu...i've learned my lesson. you've scolded me effectively and i won't ask anything about any manufacturer without notarized sourcing.

[Fox]

If I may interject...

When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. -Will Rogers

-John

[Turk]

I can't say what happened. Just to make sure, I sent a test email from each one of my emails to my other email addresses. That is a total of 6 emails. They all showed up at my mail box.

No harm done, I did get the gist of what was being said, and already did forward the concerns to all the folks I am familiar with at Shelby organization.

It is their duty and responsibility to discuss it, not mine. After a while they may get tired of some of this stuff and say the heck with it. Until we hear from them, please give them the benefit of the doubt.

TURK

[foothills gary]

Think this whole thing through guys!Even in a worst case scenerio where production has been suspended,Shelby is not about to damage a reputation he has worked so hard to preserve.I'm sure that on the remote chance that he can't come through,deposits will be returned.For those of you with SA4000's on order-relax and enjoy your Holiday weekend.The worst that would probably come from this would be that you would be driving another manufacturer's Cobra(maybe an SPF?-he he he).

[tddnepa]

turk... stop the diagnostics, please. i'll say for the third time, i probably typed your email address wrong. i cut and pasted the email that i attempted to send you, thats all i can say about it.

i posted the question here because i thought someone who knows something would say something about it.

i dont understand the reference to my being "more responsible", if i had my deposit down i'd sure as HELL want to know the answer to the question i asked. (and it was a question, not a declaration). In fact, that's who i was thinking of when i asked it. Personally, i have nothing to gain or lose if the cars show up or not. The person who told me stated it as if it were a known fact. i thought i had missed something and thought perhaps other people had too.

like i said..worry not, i've learned my lesson.

OK fox...i'll stop digging if turk will stop his for-the-record email diagnostic updates.

[PatBuckley]

Turk-

Did you get the test email I sent you? I sent one to each of your addresses and did NOT get any kind of error message back so they must be working.

I even cut and pasted a message and IM'ed it to you....

I don't think it is the email that is the problem!

Pat Buckley

[TerrysSPF]

tddnepa: ....Just an FYI: say something negative about Shelby around here and you're in a world of hurt. Of course, if you say something bad about ANY manufacturer, people will defend their products AND their choices. Pretty simple........as well as understandable.

I was in the market a couple months ago myself, and in the final few weeks heard some "strange" news about the SA plant. One comment was that the plant seemed to be closed down. Of course I heard this from "another mfgr" that also has a plant in SA, so I took it with a grain of salt. But then a buddy of mine was in S.Africa on business. He made it a point to look up the Shelby plant wanting to check it out for himself (he was also in the market for a roller......still is in fact), and said that he went there 3 times in a matter of a couple weeks and all 3 times the place was a ghost town. No signs of any cars parked anywhere either.

Prior to his visit, I spoke to someone from Shelby and obtained information on the SA rollers. Everything was mailed to me right away and the spec's on the car looked pretty good. I also have pictures of the "proto-type".......which also looks good. .........Then I hear of a "delay" in production. People that were told they would be getting their cars in December were pushed back to Feb. The time frame on getting a roller almost doubled. Originally I heard January........then February......then late spring, maybe early summer. All of a sudden, I got to thinking about the things I heard about the SA plant........and then I started to think about the Series 1 cars and the folks that had deposits on those vehicles.............yikes.
I didn't want to purchase a car without seeing one in person (and not the proto-type.......they are built to sell cars off of). I'm sure the SA cars will eventually come out and most likely be a very good product. I just didn't want to wait, that's all. I have a thing about forking over money before actually seeing / touching the product (and I don't car WHO'S name is on it!). Waiting for these cars to finally hit the street, find someone who has one in my area that I can look at, and THEN place an order and wait for who know's how long to get it, just wasn't for me. I was thinking I probably wouldn't get a car until summer of '05, and if I wanted to wait THAT long I would have gone with my original choice, ERA.........who I ALREADY knew made a top notch car and has been doing so for many years.
If the "name" means a lot to you, I would wait it out and see what happens. I'm sure the SA Shelby cars will make it to the states before too long, and will probably be a good product. If it doesn't matter who's name is on it, then there are other companies out there that we already know make great cars at the same price point (or less). Whatever you choose, I'm sure you will be happy. However, if you are looking at this as an "investment" (your reason for going with the Shelby name?), then you may want to check out some GT-350 or 500's.

By the way...............Tubes, or solid state? Maybe we can start bashing some of the makers of amplifiers! He, he, he.

[Greg Kulp]

Pat,

At this point, what is the point of your post?

You know, sometimes this is by far the least friendly place I hang out.

Turk has it covered so why does everyone keep digging?

Sheesh.

[tddnepa]

thanks, Greg. I was only being partly facetious when i said i'd learned my lesson. i will NEVER post an open ended question with a manufacturer's name in it again on here. i don't see the point of this manufacturer forum if not for this type of thing, but i don't need the stress.

terry - i'm a COnrad-johnson man. tube pre, solid state amp (I need the wattage). how about those Macintosh b*stards? (LOL)

[Specialk]

TerrysSPF,

I think I know why your buddy didn't see anybody at a Shelby plant in South Africa. Shelby is having the cars built under contract by CAV, so there is no Shelby plant there. Maybe your buddy just saw a factory with a "Shelby" sign on the side and assumed it was the Cobra assembly building? I was told that the cars ARE being built, and they have never stopped building them.

I have a question about this statement:

and then I started to think about the Series 1 cars and the folks that had deposits on those vehicles.............yikes.

I have worked for Shelby for four years, and I never knew there was a problem with deposits? I was told everybody who put a deposit down got a car. Do you have a buddy who didn't get a car?

[misfit41]

I am always amazed that when someone post a thread about rumors,or any thing negative about any body,it just goes ON and ON ,like high school gossip,when often times myself and others have post legit threads with legit questions regarding work on my car and am lucky to get 2 post if any ,, very disappointing,,Tk

[Excaliber]

... is a VERY large company with a ton of employees.

As well as the GT-40 they make a line of inflatable boats that are world class. These guys are major players with a huge factory and a substantial investment in manufacturing.

What? You think Shelby going to hook up with some guy who has a "mold" in his back yard? Shelby is likely the ONLY independant to have worked with all of the "Big Three" in the USA (not to mention international connections). To say he is "well connected" is an understatement.

It is inconcievable (and ridiculous) that anyone in South Africa that actually visited the facility could conclude they are "shut down". It is obvious such a person doesn't have a clue!

Ernie

[TerrysSPF]

SpecialK: The person I know that visited S. Africa said he obtained his info about the Shelby plant from a business partner there. His partner gave him directions to the plant and it wasn't very far from the SPF plant (which he also visited). He took pictures of the place, but I have yet to see them (he lives in California and I live in Illinois), they are 35mm shots, and when he mails them to me I will try and post them via scanner. He also has some nice pictures of the SPF plant and their cars.
My comment on the Series 1 cars wasn't from knowing someone who didn't recieve one. From what I understand, a lot of people put down deposits for a car.........the cars were delayed (quite awhile), and the price for the cars went through the roof (a lot more money than they were told at the time of placing their deposits!). The people with deposits down (non-refundable deposits!) were basically told that "this is the price now, and if you don't like it, too bad".. .....Not good business (IMHO).

Excal: This guy I know that visited the plant in SA (the one you say that "doesn't have a clue"....), is VP of a very large beverage company (that you would know). .......I would say that "he has a clue".

Actually, the picture of the CAV plant that you posted looks pretty empty (no cars in sight). ......Maybe the lights are on, but nobody is home??? ;-)

[casaleenie]

I saw a deer this morning!!!!

[PatBuckley]

Greg -

The point? A facetious reply to what, in my opinion, was a bogus attempt at getting out of replying to a request by Turk for information that could be used to clarify the situation..

I agree that sometimes this is an unfriendly place - it gets really unfriendly when cheap shots are taken at a manufacturer like Shelby. Almost as unfriendly as when people take cheap shots at Factory Fives or Superformances.....

Take for example the post from TerrysSPF - He has NO CLUE about what happened with the Series 1 but he is more than willing to make a derogatory post about what happened and how Shelby screwed someone.....if this had been a comment made about SPF, I guarantee you would have heard an organized and united rebuttal.

By the way - this place is no more or less unfriendly than any other forum.

Pat Buckley

[tddnepa]

pat,

what bogus attempt? i screwed up when i emailed him, and THE NEXT day, i posted exactly what i tried to email him for all to see. the whole point of my asking the question in the begnning of this was that i DONT HAVE any information.

i've replied to this post about a million times since i posted it, i didn't disappear. And frankly i'm very sorry i did because of ridiculous crap like this.

If you like, you can just assume i'm some anti shelby spy from a secret cabal of other manufacturers. i had gone on living a lie as a computer programmer who's never even driven a cobra in his life, but now you've caught me. i guess the jig is up...my plans for world dominance (if i get shelbyamerican out of the way) is finally in the open.

woe is me... i guess i'll try to get Ford to go under instead, then i'll start a whole group of shell companies (all with different names, but under my evil control) to make replica focus's. then, if one of those bastards who designed THAT car try building them, i'll get on clubFocus.com and ask a seemingly innocuous question about THier newly announced model to try to gain an advantage on THEM.

if that doesn't work, i'll go after nabisco, then make replica nilla wafers.

my tenticles are everywhere, but PatBuckley was my downfall.

(shaking my head) i'd love to just ignore this...but it's like a train wreck... you just cant look away.

cassaleenie - since youre not a naturalist, how do you KNOW it was a dear? who told you? please email me with all of the information you have on this "deer" rumor, and i'll have my people look into it. (my emplire makes replica deers, too...damn santa and so-called "rudolph" is going down)

[foothills gary]

Whoa,Tddnepa,23 posts in one day has to be a club record!Welcome to the forum!You managed to trip a Claymore on the very first post-don't we have fun?Just wait until you get into the discussions on big block engines v.small blocks,or round tube v.square tube frames.It's all very entertaining,which is the whole point of the Cobra experience.Again,welcome!

[decooney]

Remember: For what its worth, all of these posts are going on during a "Holiday Weekend" when various people might not be at work to respond... probably enjoying the weekend I would hope. As we've seen in the past, any other time someone from Shelby American or a reputable affiliate of Shelby American would clear this up for all concerned. Maybe give them a chance to respond....

Some of you guys might want to consider taking a chill pill for two days or a week to wait and gets some factual information on it before jumping to conclusions or getting too irritated with each other.

I seriously doubt that Shelby American (and all the stakeholders involved) would partner with CAV, spend all this recent time, money, and energy on marketing this fabulous new $39K car, and then stop production immediately thereafter... If anything is shut down, its probably for part of the Holidays. Happy Holidays!

[casaleenie]

Darn, I saw another deer!!!