Club Cobra Gas-N Exhaust  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Manufacturers, Engine Builders, tools, and parts. > Shelby American, Inc.

Keith Craft Racing
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
December 2024
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31        

Kirkham Motorsports

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #81 (permalink)  
Old 07-12-2007, 05:25 PM
1ntCobra's Avatar
Abnormal CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pottstown (East Coventry), PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
Posts: 2,330
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Power Surge
You can't really do a body "swap", the chassis set up is different between glass and alloy. Kirkham gets their alloy bodys already mated to the chassis from the factory in Poland. You'd most likely be swapping all your CSX stuff over to a KMP chassis and body.

If they ARE actually doing a "body swap", they'd have to unwrap an alloy body from a chassis, cut the birdcage off their chassis, then fit it to your CSX chassis, and then reattach the body. It would probably be cheaper to just buy a bare alloy body/frame from them and swap your parts.
I think this has been done before without requiring a "bird cage" swap, just a "body swap". Like I said earlier, there was a Kirkham frame and a Shelby fiberglass body for sale a year or two ago. They were apparently left over from putting the Kirkham body on the Shelby car.
Reply With Quote
  #82 (permalink)  
Old 07-12-2007, 06:11 PM
xlr8or's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: San Diego, CA
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 2,979
Not Ranked     
Default

Sal I believe the procedure is to gut the cars to just frame and body and then cut the main rails out of the car and leave the bird cage and body intact. Then do the same on the CSX and swap/weld them back together and reinstall the panels, foot boxes etc.
__________________
Remember, It's never too early to start beefing up your obituary.
Reply With Quote
  #83 (permalink)  
Old 07-12-2007, 06:23 PM
dynoroom's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Chino Hills, Ca
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 112
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Power Surge
You can't really do a body "swap", the chassis set up is different between glass and alloy. Kirkham gets their alloy bodys already mated to the chassis from the factory in Poland.

I don't see any chassis under these bodies....
Attached Images
 
__________________
Michael LeFevers
Member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club
1st Production Bodied Car Over 300 MPH


Kugel and LeFevers Pontiac Firebird
Reply With Quote
  #84 (permalink)  
Old 07-12-2007, 08:03 PM
computerworks's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Lifetime Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
Posts: 10,362
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dynoroom
I don't see any chassis under these bodies....
Mike..there has to be...otherwise it would be a flat pile.

The body alone, without the inner superstructure, is a gum wrapper.

Tom K. and I talked about the swap last weekend.

Look at the KMP frame....





Just about every tube above the rails is a wrap-point for the alum to be riveted.

Plus...you need all those tubes to be in the correct place for all the close-out panels to fit.

The process would be to literally hack it all off above the rails and marry the KMP superstructure to the old frame.

...lotsa work.
Reply With Quote
  #85 (permalink)  
Old 07-12-2007, 09:10 PM
1ntCobra's Avatar
Abnormal CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pottstown (East Coventry), PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
Posts: 2,330
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ntCobra
I think this has been done before without requiring a "bird cage" swap, just a "body swap". Like I said earlier, there was a Kirkham frame and a Shelby fiberglass body for sale a year or two ago. They were apparently left over from putting the Kirkham body on the Shelby car.
Does anyone remember this?

Kirkham frame/CSX 4000 Body...AGAIN...and AGAIN

I guess from reading this, parts of the tubing that attached the fiberglass body to the CSX were moved to the left over Kirkham frame. So at least part of the birdcage was swapped along with the body. So I was wrong...
Reply With Quote
  #86 (permalink)  
Old 07-12-2007, 10:01 PM
dynoroom's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Chino Hills, Ca
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 112
Not Ranked     
Default

Ron, I forgot the smiley face, but you and Sal are indeed correct as you well know.
__________________
Michael LeFevers
Member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club
1st Production Bodied Car Over 300 MPH


Kugel and LeFevers Pontiac Firebird
Reply With Quote
  #87 (permalink)  
Old 07-12-2007, 10:21 PM
computerworks's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Lifetime Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
Posts: 10,362
Not Ranked     
Default

I'd recognize your smiley face anywhere.
Reply With Quote
  #88 (permalink)  
Old 07-29-2007, 11:24 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 160
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Power Surge
It's very simple. Shelby has both HST and Hi-Tech/SPF building cars for them. They are CSX cars, built to Shelby specs. They are not "rebadged" anything. They are Shelby Cobras. Just like original Shelby Cobra's were built by AC and sold by Shelby.

Both cars are built to the same specs, but there ARE subtle differences. I have seen several Hi-Tech built cars in the past few weeks, and they have many "detail" differences from the HST built cars. Nothing that makes them any less of a Cobra, just noticable differences if you've seen an HST car. Both are correct, because both are CSX Cobras. Just like there were many differences in original Cobra production details.

And for what it's worth, both HST and Hi-Tech built CSX Cobras are VERY nicely built cars. Anyone should be proud to own either build car.

This is correct. When I came on board, we had over 130 cars on back order, we struck a deal with Superformance to make cobras, to Shelby specs, just like the HST cars. All the Fiberglass cars come through las Vagas to be finished off.

Superformance also makes a mark III and other cars, these are no the shelby's they make for us, this was a new mold from one of our cars. It took a while but we have delivered all the backordered cars and we are adveraging 6 months delivery now.


sorry for the confusion


Amy
Reply With Quote
  #89 (permalink)  
Old 07-30-2007, 12:14 AM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
Not Ranked     
Default

Always nice to see Amy drop by and grace us with her presence!
Reply With Quote
  #90 (permalink)  
Old 07-30-2007, 07:51 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Northern, CA
Cobra Make, Engine: Still Working on This
Posts: 301
Not Ranked     
Default

Amy, thanks for the update.

Bob
Reply With Quote
  #91 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2007, 02:31 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 160
Not Ranked     
Default

Thank you Ex!

Most welcome Bob!


Amy
Reply With Quote
  #92 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2007, 02:42 PM
froggyman's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Louisville, KY
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF MKIII, SPO2891, SPO1649
Posts: 517
Not Ranked     
Default Amy, hi from the Bluegrass state

Amy it is always a breath of fresh air see you here right up front. What an accomplishment. That would have been unheard of a few short years ago. The turnaround at Shelby has been something short of miraculous. Keep it going Amy, the guys from Kentucky Cobra Club applaud you.

Juan
__________________
Juan Lopez-Bonilla
Kentucky Cobra Club

2432 Crittenden Drive, Suite 201
Louisville, KY 40217
http://www.kentuckycobraclub.com
juan@lbrdesign.com
502-558-2904
Reply With Quote
  #93 (permalink)  
Old 09-02-2007, 12:26 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 160
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by froggyman
Amy it is always a breath of fresh air see you here right up front. What an accomplishment. That would have been unheard of a few short years ago. The turnaround at Shelby has been something short of miraculous. Keep it going Amy, the guys from Kentucky Cobra Club applaud you.

Juan
juan, thanks, but to be honest, there are some great gys at shelby who really did the heavy lifting, I just helped get them back on track. The cobra guys at Shelby ar the best team I ever worked with.

we have some new Cobra stuff coming, including new hand rolled aluminum bodies from england from former AC workers, I am very focused on Cobra, now that we are rolling. stay tuned...


Amy
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink