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07-12-2007, 05:25 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
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Originally Posted by Power Surge
You can't really do a body "swap", the chassis set up is different between glass and alloy. Kirkham gets their alloy bodys already mated to the chassis from the factory in Poland. You'd most likely be swapping all your CSX stuff over to a KMP chassis and body.
If they ARE actually doing a "body swap", they'd have to unwrap an alloy body from a chassis, cut the birdcage off their chassis, then fit it to your CSX chassis, and then reattach the body. It would probably be cheaper to just buy a bare alloy body/frame from them and swap your parts.
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I think this has been done before without requiring a "bird cage" swap, just a "body swap". Like I said earlier, there was a Kirkham frame and a Shelby fiberglass body for sale a year or two ago. They were apparently left over from putting the Kirkham body on the Shelby car. |
07-12-2007, 06:11 PM
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Sal I believe the procedure is to gut the cars to just frame and body and then cut the main rails out of the car and leave the bird cage and body intact. Then do the same on the CSX and swap/weld them back together and reinstall the panels, foot boxes etc.
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07-12-2007, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Power Surge
You can't really do a body "swap", the chassis set up is different between glass and alloy. Kirkham gets their alloy bodys already mated to the chassis from the factory in Poland.
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I don't see any chassis under these bodies.... |
07-12-2007, 08:03 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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I don't see any chassis under these bodies....
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Mike..there has to be...otherwise it would be a flat pile. 
The body alone, without the inner superstructure, is a gum wrapper.
Tom K. and I talked about the swap last weekend.
Look at the KMP frame....
Just about every tube above the rails is a wrap-point for the alum to be riveted.
Plus...you need all those tubes to be in the correct place for all the close-out panels to fit.
The process would be to literally hack it all off above the rails and marry the KMP superstructure to the old frame.
...lotsa work.  |
07-12-2007, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra
I think this has been done before without requiring a "bird cage" swap, just a "body swap". Like I said earlier, there was a Kirkham frame and a Shelby fiberglass body for sale a year or two ago. They were apparently left over from putting the Kirkham body on the Shelby car.
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Does anyone remember this?
Kirkham frame/CSX 4000 Body...AGAIN...and AGAIN
I guess from reading this, parts of the tubing that attached the fiberglass body to the CSX were moved to the left over Kirkham frame. So at least part of the birdcage was swapped along with the body. So I was wrong... |
07-12-2007, 10:01 PM
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Ron, I forgot the smiley face, but you and Sal are indeed correct as you well know.
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07-12-2007, 10:21 PM
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I'd recognize your smiley face anywhere. |
07-29-2007, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Power Surge
It's very simple. Shelby has both HST and Hi-Tech/SPF building cars for them. They are CSX cars, built to Shelby specs. They are not "rebadged" anything. They are Shelby Cobras. Just like original Shelby Cobra's were built by AC and sold by Shelby.
Both cars are built to the same specs, but there ARE subtle differences. I have seen several Hi-Tech built cars in the past few weeks, and they have many "detail" differences from the HST built cars. Nothing that makes them any less of a Cobra, just noticable differences if you've seen an HST car. Both are correct, because both are CSX Cobras. Just like there were many differences in original Cobra production details.
And for what it's worth, both HST and Hi-Tech built CSX Cobras are VERY nicely built cars. Anyone should be proud to own either build car.
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This is correct. When I came on board, we had over 130 cars on back order, we struck a deal with Superformance to make cobras, to Shelby specs, just like the HST cars. All the Fiberglass cars come through las Vagas to be finished off.
Superformance also makes a mark III and other cars, these are no the shelby's they make for us, this was a new mold from one of our cars. It took a while but we have delivered all the backordered cars and we are adveraging 6 months delivery now.
sorry for the confusion
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07-30-2007, 12:14 AM
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Always nice to see Amy drop by and grace us with her presence!  |
07-30-2007, 07:51 AM
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Amy, thanks for the update.
Bob
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08-03-2007, 02:31 PM
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Thank you Ex!
Most welcome Bob!
Amy
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08-03-2007, 02:42 PM
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Amy, hi from the Bluegrass state
Amy it is always a breath of fresh air see you here right up front. What an accomplishment. That would have been unheard of a few short years ago. The turnaround at Shelby has been something short of miraculous. Keep it going Amy, the guys from Kentucky Cobra Club applaud you.
Juan
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09-02-2007, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by froggyman
Amy it is always a breath of fresh air see you here right up front. What an accomplishment. That would have been unheard of a few short years ago. The turnaround at Shelby has been something short of miraculous. Keep it going Amy, the guys from Kentucky Cobra Club applaud you.
Juan
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juan, thanks, but to be honest, there are some great gys at shelby who really did the heavy lifting, I just helped get them back on track. The cobra guys at Shelby ar the best team I ever worked with.
we have some new Cobra stuff coming, including new hand rolled aluminum bodies from england from former AC workers, I am very focused on Cobra, now that we are rolling. stay tuned...
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