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10-16-2007, 10:36 AM
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Familiar Shelby story?
This is interesting,
Looks like Unique is screwing the pooch on a combined venture with Shelby and Chip Foose. Now Shelby is bailing out leaving Foose and the ghost men at Unique to deal with a lot of po'd customers still waiting for their cars, sounds familiar.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...6002/1506/FREE
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10-16-2007, 12:08 PM
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Mod Note... moved to Shelby American Forum from Shelby Enterprises Forum (engine house).
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10-16-2007, 12:19 PM
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Note....this isn't the same Unique that we deal with in the Cobra world.
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10-16-2007, 12:44 PM
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Fenimore...the gift that just keeps giving.
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10-16-2007, 02:56 PM
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I guess I'm looking at this a little differently, as it appears to me that Shelby is trying to disassociate himself with Unique Performance, as they have apparently been pissing off a lot of customers. There are several websites out there where guys are trying to get a class action rolling against them:
www.uniqueperformancescam.com
www.fixeleanor.com
I consider this a good move and would do it if I was Shelby. Since Unique Performance were the ones building all the cars and taking all the orders, how did Shelby leave them "holding the bag"?
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10-16-2007, 03:13 PM
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Note....this isn't the same Unique that we deal with in the Cobra world.
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Good point Brent, I should not assume everyone makes that distinction
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10-16-2007, 03:17 PM
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Fenimore...the gift that just keeps giving.
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Jamo, so I am right in my thinking that Feinmore is Brent Feinmore?
Didn't he used to be with SAI?
I have heard/read a lot of negative about the guys biz practices, or lack thereof.
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10-16-2007, 03:26 PM
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Mark, I was worried at first because I thought the Weavers had got mixed in with Shelby....I was very happy to find out otherwise.
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10-16-2007, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ Dickey
I guess I'm looking at this a little differently, as it appears to me that Shelby is trying to disassociate himself with Unique Performance, as they have apparently been pissing off a lot of customers. There are several websites out there where guys are trying to get a class action rolling against them:
www.uniqueperformancescam.com
www.fixeleanor.com
I consider this a good move and would do it if I was Shelby. Since Unique Performance were the ones building all the cars and taking all the orders, how did Shelby leave them "holding the bag"?
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Russ I think you are right in the sense that Shelby should disassociate themselves from such a troubled scenario, except for one thing.
What about the customers that shelled out 100-200K for an automobile based on Shelby's "alliance" and the Shelby name associated with this company.
Is it OK to suddenly ignore those who had confidence that the Shelby name offered the appearance of a valid product an company?
What of the Shelby name that attracted some of these customers to do business?
I read that Chip Foose isn't bailing out but wants to offer those that have paid out some serious money some form of satisfaction.
Remember there was something in this agreement for Shelby as well, (money? ya' think?) and when things start getting stinky they appear to be scurrying for a bail out.
I have been unable to find any information or statements from Shelby pertaining to helping those people who are getting screwed.
If a company is like Shelby is accepting residuals or fees for an affiliation with Unique, and things don't work out as planned, they too should bear some of the brunt of responsibility as well.
So, yeah, in my way of thinking, that type of "distancing" is leaving someone else holding the "bag"
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10-16-2007, 04:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lineslinger
If a company is like Shelby is accepting residuals or fees for an affiliation with Unique, and things don't work out as planned, they too should bear some of the brunt of responsibility as well.
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Good lawyers will write into the deal docs/agreements "indemnification clauses" that hold harmless associated entities and individuals like the Chicken Farmer for when things get upside down. So it's all upside for Carroll (except the occasional bad press, which he is numb to now at his ripe age). But for younger guns like Chip Foose, he has a reputation (and future) to uphold. So he naturally would be more willing to formulate a compromise.
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10-16-2007, 05:33 PM
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Pulling the Shelby name connection on any FUTURE cars might be a good move. That doesn't mean he is abandoning current or past owners, all though, Unique would have to bear most of the responsibilty there.
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10-16-2007, 05:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ Dickey
I guess I'm looking at this a little differently, as it appears to me that Shelby is trying to disassociate himself with Unique Performance, as they have apparently been pissing off a lot of customers. There are several websites out there where guys are trying to get a class action rolling against them:
www.uniqueperformancescam.com
www.fixeleanor.com
I consider this a good move and would do it if I was Shelby. Since Unique Performance were the ones building all the cars and taking all the orders, how did Shelby leave them "holding the bag"?
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Were these cars available through Shelby dealers? Were orders placed through them for cars built at Unique Performance?
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10-16-2007, 06:25 PM
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Good question, and if they were previously available through a Shelby dealer outlet, it would be a good idea to cease and desist THAT connection immediatly!
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10-16-2007, 09:31 PM
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But I want to know where is Lubinski? You mean he is NOT involved with this fiasco? Will wonders never cease!
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10-16-2007, 09:37 PM
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Lineslinger...one in the same POS. Became GM at Unique after leaving Vegas. Don't know if he's still there, but the tracks in the mud seem similar.
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10-16-2007, 09:49 PM
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Jamo,
A little rough on Brent, he has always been fair.
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10-16-2007, 09:54 PM
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Brent F. was going to ship something to me for my son, signed by Shelby. My boy was really excited, were still waiting. Tough to do that to a kid.
I see your point though Allan, not wanting to pile on the guy, just making a report.
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10-16-2007, 09:59 PM
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Jamo,
A little rough on Brent, he has always been fair.
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Goes in the face of the feedback I have gotten Allan, I am just making note from those who have had dealings with the guy, maybe you were one of the lucky ones?
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10-16-2007, 10:30 PM
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I think most of the Brent issues can be blamed on the boss (CS) when he was at SAI. Unique was having problems way before he showed up, I recall a guy at a Nor Cal SAAC event with a GT 500. He had a list of items on why not to buy the car, and this was before BF. Just my opinion.
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10-16-2007, 10:37 PM
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Quote:
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Lineslinger...one in the same POS. Became GM at Unique after leaving Vegas. Don't know if he's still there, but the tracks in the mud seem similar.
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I want to say.... nevermind, it's a neverending story.
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