CSX6000 to be auctioned at Mecum Monterey

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by 767Jockey

That's it? I guess the 6000 cars are the newest ones out there, then?

I believe so, as far as 427 S/C's are concerned, but I'm not a CSX expert, or expert anything for that matter.

[PANAVIA]

All Vins aside, - So I am in the building stage of CSX4985 which is an HST car.

I have also built my SPF so I think I have some background on being able to compare the two.

On a component by component basis the CSX car seems to have higher dollar items in its overall build, but like anything else ,

--it is not who makes the ‘nut, but the *nut* who makes it. --

I disagree with the commentary that the HST cars are bad , or suck or x x x .. I think the instructions and training given to the HST assemblers are poor at best. You can see that there are such good intentions in so many places, then just a poor execution and poor support.

Some Examples:
1. Undercar Exhaust: My CSX is supposed to be an undercar exhaust car –it was ordered this way -- - but the brake tubing bender guy wasn't told this at the factory, so there are roller coaster rounds of brake tubing exactly where my undercar pipes are to exit the engine mounts/frame area before continuing to the rear of the car. (argh)

2. They shipped “side pipes” and side pipe headers with an undercar -car. (order management)

3.-- if it was undercar exhaust car, it would be configured as a “roadster” the roadster dash was not an “SC” dash –When you contact Shelby, they say that all CSX 4000 series are “SC” cars, hence they all have SC dashes.

This is a problem ; SC dash was installed before painted body was riveted to the frame at HST, and is covering 2 of the dash screw holes --so I cant replace the dash without drilling out rivets and possibly some paint work.

4. Seats : as csxwnab says --and I agree, - The seats are puffy by any standard on the CSX, they *are* patterned after original seats, -- I am having mine “reworked” now. –er –de’puffed.

5. CSX Steering column geometry in relation to seating is odd by any stretch of the imagination. – The steering wheel is angled too low to any drivers’ thighs, and is adjustable ---downward. I looked at the design and there is some room to rework and adjust the angle so things are a bit better in that neighborhood. –more on this later.

6. Electrical : there are some good components and the quality of the wire is mostly good, but they take some leaps in logic and use some components in areas that make no sense and have a few welding rods in various places. The main irritant is that all the wire markers /labels are scotch-taped paper strips onto the wires, and they flake off like little bilingual dandruff flakes.

7. CSX FANS : the fans in 4985 tickle and taunt the air and use more way amps than the SPF fans.

Note: I have not worked on any of the suspension as of yet on 4985, but our experience with other CSX chassis has had us source and generate bearings, spacers, cups , bolts , clips , etc (primarily front end) that we then subsequently certified for track use. –we have budgeted for that in 4985.

The superformance may have its shortcomings , but it has so many advantages that ;

"The more I work on my CSX, the more I love my SPF" .

SPF Features that I find cool/helpful :

A> The dropped drivers footbox and floor
B> A reasonable trans tunnel wide but not too wide in front, wide enough in back.
C> Seats that are firm and hold you in.
D> Good access to brake masters/clutch cyls/etc.
E> a usable trunk space
F> a sensible battery location
G> a top notch cooling system
H> Electric fans that work
I> Inner fenders that are actually attached to something

My 2 cents for the night. --Steve

[SunDude]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Am I missing something? Why is the auction of a fiberglass CSX with a 427 sideoiler rate as news?

The reason I posted this link is because some people might attach significance to owning/having the chassis no. CSX6000. That's it.

[RodKnock]

Oops, yes, the number 6000 would attract more attention. I missed that one. Sorry.

[PANAVIA]

Chassis number is actually 6019 on the mecum car if you read the fine print.

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...D=CA0809-82442

[BigRed427]

The 6000 series cars are carbon fiber.
I can tell it is a Mexico car as the Cobra logo in the steering wheel is different than the Superformance built Cobra logo.
I toured the Mexico factory in June 2005 (with Bill Malone) and found the build quality to be outstanding.
My CSX was the first Superformance built roller and the paint, fuel cell, gauge/carpet installation, and attention to authenticity was terrible.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by BigRed427

The 6000 series cars are carbon fiber.
I can tell it is a Mexico car as the Cobra logo in the steering wheel is different than the Superformance built Cobra logo.
I toured the Mexico factory in June 2005 (with Bill Malone) and found the build quality to be outstanding.
My CSX was the first Superformance built roller and the paint, fuel cell, gauge/carpet installation, and attention to authenticity was terrible.

6000 cars aren't carbon, they are just the continuation of the glass 4000 cars which ended at 4999, because Shelby has already used CSX5000 vins on other past cars.

[BigRed427]

You are right.

[dcdoug]

I have heard exactly the opposite from a Shelby dealer that HST cars are much better quality than Hi-Tech (Superformance) and he will only order those.

[CSX 4027]

Originally Posted by dcdoug

I have heard exactly the opposite from a Shelby dealer that HST cars are much better quality than Hi-Tech (Superformance) and he will only order those.

I am not a Superformance lover for lots of technical reasons but, don't believe everthing you hear about the HST cars from whoever is telling you.

Facts. The original 427 cars were designed as competition cars are were and are very good in all aspects. The suspension worked. The Girling brakes worked. The cars ran really well. In their original form and with a competant driver who doesn't rely on modern mechanics, they will sill run circles around anything on the planet.

Hey, the Original Daytona coupes with leaf springs and Girling brakes will still be front runners.

[PANAVIA]

Keep in mind, 99% of all advancement in automobiles is to keep things easy on the driver. --BAH__ your tough , Suck up and deal.

---Steve