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11-19-2007, 01:29 PM
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Or does the 'other' hardtop still have 2142 underneath it.....?? Oh dear, did I think that out loud?
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11-19-2007, 01:48 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Hawk 289FiA with Le Mans hardtop. AC CS(X)2131,289 (my father owned it from `67-`73)
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Hahahahahahaha......  Naughty naughty!
I know that 2130 'borrowed' the hardtop from 2131, (click on the pic for the benefit of the myopic!)
but when 2130 went to South Africa with Bob Otlhoff, the top sat in the corner of Willment`s workshop until my Dad got hold of it.
Of course, if you want a nice, shiny new ali hardtop, it can be arranged: (again, clicky on the piccy!)
Courtesy of the Brooklands Bashers!
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11-19-2007, 02:41 PM
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Oh my god , thats an ugly pair of tail pipes on a beautiful aluminium top.
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11-19-2007, 03:04 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2003
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Cobra Make, Engine: Hawk 289FiA with Le Mans hardtop. AC CS(X)2131,289 (my father owned it from `67-`73)
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Originally Posted by pmfranke
Oh my god , thats an ugly pair of tail pipes on a beautiful aluminium top.
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I think the idea is that if anyone gets close enough to slipstream, you drop to 3rd & blow `em back 3 car lengths! 
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11-19-2007, 03:12 PM
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Those peashooters just might do it! 
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11-19-2007, 07:55 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX 2401 street 289 Cobra and CSX 3288 Street "427" Cobra
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The top, no-top issue may be related to whether the car has a roll bar and if it does, how high it is. At VIR until a couple of years ago I could run CSX 2401 with the roll bar it currently has. Then they changed the rules, which I suspect was not a VIR specific rule change, so that my rollbar is now too short to run the car, UNLESS I install the flimsy fiberglass hardtop, held in place by a couple of small brackets that would withstand a hard blow for a microsecond, BUT that makes the car track eligible again, so.... that may be why you see hardtops at Goodwood. Then again, maybe not.
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12-03-2007, 02:33 PM
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Going back to the hardtop and fliptop discussion
The two hardtops at LeMans had a hole in the top for the gas cap.
So if someone is saying that their hardtop is the real top from '63 LeMans it would have that hole or a sign the hole was once there.
Actually there were three roadsters with hardtops built for LeMans but I don't know if the top ever got readied for the third car which apparently didn't make it or wasn't entered.
The reason vintage racers fitting the fastback hardtop don't like the top gas cap system installed is because if the car were to be in an accident and the top shifted with the impact , and it had gas in the filler tube at the time of impact, you would be looking at a gasoline shower for the driver.
Question about the fliptop: I have seen the famous picture if it at speed, front 3/4 view of dark version with two white stripes, but was it raced that way by Shelby American? I thought it was only a mule prototype and never received the full cosmetic treatment of the team race cars. I vaguely remember the shot of it being driven though the streets of Nassau, maybe that time it was dark blue with white stripes.
Regarding 390 aluminum block, would an experimental block even have a casting number?
John Veermersch,(sp?) of Mt. Clemens, MI used to be the expert on rare Ford racing engine parts, don't know if he's still in business but if he is he might know the answer. I remember him telling me about Canadians coming over from Canada by boat to buy parts (like selling hooch, right John?)
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12-04-2007, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Historybuff
The two hardtops at LeMans had a hole in the top for the gas cap.
So if someone is saying that their hardtop is the real top from '63 LeMans it would have that hole or a sign the hole was once there.
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You can clearly see in this pic of my Dad from 1968, where the fuel filler is located on one of the original Le Mans hardtops(click on pic):
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Originally Posted by Historybuff
The reason vintage racers fitting the fastback hardtop don't like the top gas cap system installed is because if the car were to be in an accident and the top shifted with the impact , and it had gas in the filler tube at the time of impact, you would be looking at a gasoline shower for the driver.
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May be why the scrutineers made my Dad remove the top here:
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Originally Posted by nikbj68
In 1968 at the Silverstone 6 hour relay race, My Dad went to scrutineering with the hardtop fitted, but because the fuel filler was inside(I don`t know if the pipe from the hardtop-mounted filler cap was fitted), he was told to remove the hardtop.
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Originally Posted by Historybuff
Actually there were three roadsters with hardtops built for LeMans but I don't know if the top ever got readied for the third car which apparently didn't make it or wasn't entered.
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Although 3 roadsters(CS2130, CS2131 & CSX2142) were earmarked for Le Mans, I believe only 2 actually had hardtops, and the "Shelby American Inc." entry, car no.9 was not granted entry by the A.C.O, and was listed as a "Did Not Arrive" in the Le Mans `63 entry list.
It is frequently written that Shelby American prepared 2 cars for Le Mans, but they (and CS2130) were completed 'in house' by AC, and to my knowledge, 2131 has never set a wheel in America to this day.
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