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04-20-2002, 07:04 PM
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Shelby Aluminum 427
I want to build an Shelby 427 aluminum engine. Do I stay with all Shelby components or non-Shelby heads, manifold etc.?
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04-20-2002, 07:30 PM
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what are you going to use it for?
1 Cobra nut,
I also think the alum block 427 is very cool. Not in my future right now.
What HP, and what are you planning on getting out of the engine? What car do you plan on putting it in?
Great Asp
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04-20-2002, 07:35 PM
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I want a street car, 500 to 600 hp. I will put it in a 2002 SPF.
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04-20-2002, 08:20 PM
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The longest build.....
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Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Midwest, USA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Mid-States, 428 Police Interceptor, TKO 5 speed, Jaguar rearend, Trigos, and Guardsman Blue!!!
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Call George !!!
George Anderson at Gessford Machine in Hastings,NE has built a BUNCH of the Shelby aluminum 427s.
He advertises here on Club Cobra !!!!!
Cheers,
Bill Cook
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04-20-2002, 08:57 PM
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I will give George a call. Thanks for the info.
Jeff
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04-20-2002, 08:59 PM
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Hope you have at least $25K for the motor. Good luck.
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04-20-2002, 09:38 PM
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jeff is correct
25 large is the number I came up with also.
VERY trick engine, but my new 514 stroker is 600 HP out of the box. If you want the retro look (I like it outside the car, not inside), and want mucho HP, for not much wgt., Aluminum!
The Shelby heads are supposed to be nice.
Great Asp
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04-21-2002, 12:18 AM
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What about the Genesis block---it's supposed to be very close now, and much better priced. Shelby gets 5k for a bare block that still requires machine work...seems kinda pricey (imagine that!).
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04-21-2002, 12:10 PM
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Thanks! I went to the Genesis web site and will call them this week. Is the Genisis equal to the Shelby in quality? Any additional info?
Jeff
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04-22-2002, 05:02 PM
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FWIW, Bill Parham at Southern Automotive has also built up some of the Shelby aluminum 427 blocks. I understand that he did some of the original "testing" on the preliminary blocks for 'Hisownself. He can probably give you some useful information also.
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04-22-2002, 05:16 PM
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Southern Automotive
1 cobra nut,
Give Bill Parham a call at Southern Automotive in McDonough GA just south of Atlanta -- you'll be glad you did.
Here's his statistics:
Southern Automotive
70 Sims St.
McDonough GA 30253
http://www.southernautomotiveengines.com/
770-898-9360
Bill and Lewis will be very frank with you, steer you clear of future problems and save you money- always a good thing. They are the most knowledgable Ford FE people I know and are very easy to talk to and honest. Bill was a Ford FE racer for many years.
Jer
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04-22-2002, 05:17 PM
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Nut,
My brother and I built one last year using ALL Shelby parts available. Mike LeFevres at Shelby was very good at answering questions. (at least once a week) We are very pleased with the motor now and have LOTS of pictures of the parts and build-up. If you do it yourself, you can save about 4 grand. Or, you can have Mike build it for you and save a lot of time. He is THE expert on THAT block. I'd be happy to send pics or answer any questions you have.
Regards,
John
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04-22-2002, 06:55 PM
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Chopper and Jerry-
Thanks for the post. I just talked to Bill-WHAT KNOWLEDGE that man has. He knows everything there is about the FE. He has given me plenty to think about.
Thanks,
Jeff
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04-22-2002, 09:14 PM
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Hi 1 cobra nut. It did not cost me 25k or 20k or 15k to build my motor. I have an all alum shelby block and heads motor, It was done for 13500.00$ The short block was assemblied my my machinist. The heads were CC my mike lefevers of shelby. The block can be built to 550 cubes with bore and stroke. I have been told that the Edelbrock heads are better. If you look around and know what you want in your motor you can save about 30% of the cost. My crank is a 428 10/10 crank, got it from FFP for 450.00 The intake came from dove. rods are eagle. the pistons are arias. the cam is comp cams. The fuel injection was 3800.00$ Speed Pro brain, accell throttle body, 55lbs injectors, MSD ignition. The machine work was blueprinted to specs. 2400.00$ A carb motor is cheaper than mine. The supercharger is not hooked up yet, the belt keeps ripping off. It is hard to get the alignment correct. Next year I will go with a steel crank. They cost about 2200.00$ The boost is going up also. If I can help you with parts places let me know. Good luck with your engine. Rick Lake p.s. the weight of the motor is 540 lbs. small block numbers
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04-22-2002, 09:32 PM
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I talked to Mr. Parham today about options for my dad's 427. First of all, Bill is a straight shooter, he took about twenty minutes on the phone to educate me on the history of the 427, and common myths and also facts about FE's. I believe Bill charges a fair amount for his products, but he backs them up, and makes sure that they are running right, if not, he will fix it. My dad and I debated for a while whether or not to go with the Aluminum or Iron, we decided to go with the Iron as the benefits did not outweigh the $4000 difference. Our motor will still be pretty light though. He gave us an estimate of 490 pounds for an iron block, with aluminum heads, intake, water pump, pulleys, and flywheel. It will be a screamer regardless.
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04-26-2002, 08:40 PM
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The Shelby block is made by Arias.Worth the $$$.
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04-27-2002, 07:10 AM
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Does anyone have the web site for genesis blocks?
Thanks Steve
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04-27-2002, 07:19 AM
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04-27-2002, 07:25 AM
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Website is www.genesis427.com Later, David.
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04-27-2002, 06:02 PM
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thanks guys,
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