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Old 01-23-2003, 07:06 PM
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Question Pilot Bearing?

I am trying to find a clutch Pilot Bearing for a 427. I am told the 385 series engines, 429/460 use the same bearing.. I'm looking for an actual bearing not a solid bushing. Any ideas?
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Old 01-23-2003, 07:11 PM
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If it's for a Toploader try here http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/
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Old 01-23-2003, 07:24 PM
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David sells the bronze bushings. Maybe there just isn't a market for them. Good info on his page though

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What's wrong with the bronze pilot bearings. They work fine, have been used for decades, and have no needle bearings to get mangled or fall out.
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They don't live very long at 6500+ rpm
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They live as long as the clutch disk will. Assuming you dialed in your scattershield so that you don't have any input shaft to crank alignment issues.
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When I was building my Sideoiler, I couldn't find one in stock anywhere, and operations like Pep Boys, AutoZone, etc. wouldn't even order one. Finally found one at an old independent auto parts store.

Mr. Fixit is right. Correctly aligned, and properly (read lightly and carefully) lubed with moly, they are very durable.

Trust me, they are the least of your worries in that drivetrain!!!!

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Old 01-24-2003, 06:50 PM
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I guess we can agree to disagree on the thermodynamic characteristics of two similar but different structures and the harmonic distortion which takes place above a certain RPM in every reciprocating assembly.. Except that it isn't worth the $13 one would save by not installing one. If you didn't know you might need it you probably don't

The thing is, I have seen perfectly fine bronze bushings fail more often than I care to think about because it often times is subtle and manifests itself as a "gear" problem or a "synchro" problem, only to be "fixed" (for $$$) and have the same thing happen again.

The point is mute if you drive like a sane person or cannot or would not exceed 6,000 rpm with an FE (what sane person would).

In any case whether you are insane or merely would like to be the following part numbers will get you where you need to be.

FE Pilot Bearings can be had from:

BCA (Bearing Corporation of America #303SS

SKF of Germany #6303-2RS1/C3GJN

Napa Auto Parts #6303-2RSJ

I would like to thank Mark with Dynamic Motorsports (513) 738-4000.. He knew the BCA number off the top of his head. From there the cross reference was easy.. None of the parts books had a reference by application. He did remind me that FT steel cranks were of course .505" in depth, not .565" like the other FE steel cranks and you will likely need a specially constructed piece for that crank (also off the top of his head)
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The racing version of the t-56 uses a bushing. I believe it is thought that there will be 0 rpm between the shaft and fly wheel except when shifting. Long periods of sitting at stop lights with the clutch depressed and in gear is often the reason for heat. Put it in neutral and take your foot off the clutch. A 6,000 rpm difference should mean some wild starts or wild shifts.
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