What other Fords came w/ 427 SO engines?

[SnakeBitt]

Went to a car show yesterday and saw a Ford Galaxy with 427 badges on the side. The owner said it was originally a Side Oiler car but he has since put in a 428. Also saw a Torino and Couger with 427 badges; the Torino was now equiped with a 429, but the owner of the 67 Couger swore he had the orig 427 in it....but said it had hydraulic lifters. I told him I thought Ford didn't make the change to hydraulics until 68 (someone correct me if I'm wrong). He looked stunned, and then told me he had just purchased the car a few weeks ago and the previous owner told him about the engine spec's and said the car was all original. I think I wrecked the kids day............hope I didn't give him bad info!

I told him I was pretty sure the early 427's (63-67) had solid lifters (I have a 66 SO block in my SPF). Then we got into a discussion trying to figure out what other model cars Ford put 427 Side Oilers in. We were wondering how many 427's were built each year; what cars you could get them in; and what were the different HP figures. We ended up drawing a small croud of Ford enthusiests during our discussion, but most seemed to have different oppinions (as usual, no one could agree).

Does anyone here have that info, or give me a place that I can go to (web site.....books to look for, etc) that may have that kind of information? I'm especially interested in the model year 1966, just because that's the year of my SO block. But I've often wondered how many cars (besides Cobra's......and I know they recieved a lot of 428's later on) came with 427 SO's as an option.

Thanks in advance for any help / info I can get!

[clayfoushee]

Snakebitt,

The link below is full of info:

www.erareplicas.com/engines.htm#fe

[Excaliber]

But the link does not specify which models and years of Ford cars/trucks did in fact come with a 427 s.o.

I recently purchased a starter for my ERA. When they asked me what kind of car I took a "chance". I told them 66 or 67 Ford Station Wagon with a 427. They had a listing and the starter fit perfectly! I wonder if that Ford wagon came with a SIDE OILER or some other 427?

[clayfoushee]

Yes, I know Ernie...... But it does link to FE Forums where I assume the answer may ultimately be found....for those who wish to seek.

What is it about this place where you get routinely slapped for trying to be helpful ?

[computerworks]

What is it about this place where you get routinely slapped for trying to be helpful ?

Clay.... it's not the place; it's just Ernie... he's into slapping and stuff.

[Hotfingrs]

Having owned a Cougar new in 1967, I didn't remember it coming with a 427 option. The 390 was the biggest.....so after looking for some links, here is what I found..... http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...-history.shtml

You couldn't get a 427 until 1968

[Excaliber]

Clay that was an excellent link to the ERA site. I enjoyed it a lot. It DID leave me wondering about the basic question though.

...still curious.

S and M guy

[SnakeBitt]

Hotfingers: No 427's in 67 Cougars, huh? That poor kid. I hope he didn't spend a ton of $$ on the car thinking it was all original. Heck, maybe he has the year of the car wrong instead (if he were lucky!). Weren't a lot of changes made between 67 and 68 if I remember right. Oh well............he was young, and you live and learn.

Clay: Thanks for the ERA site.......very interesting. I clicked on the FE engine forum that was highlighted in the site and spent the last couple hours there just "reading". You could easily spend weeks there. Looks like there's a lot of die hard FE guys there that know their stuff. I may go back and join the site, then ask the same question there (about which cars came with 427 Side Oilers). I'm sure if we all put our heads together here we could figure it out. We may not be able to come up with the actual "number" of engines built / put in cars............but that may be one of those questions that NOBODY has the exact answer to.

[clayfoushee]

SB,

If I'd known the answer I would have posted it, but you did raise a very interesting historical question. I'd be interested in the answer once you find it. I refer to that site all the time, and my impression was if I dug completely into all the links, I'd probably ultimately find what I was looking for. But, I've never searched on your specific question.

As it is, I already spend way too much time on Cobra-related sites. Cheers and best wishes,

[SnakeBitt]

Clay: I'll keep digging and post what I find later on. It may take awhile, though! Seems like nobody really knows "for sure".
Say, how's the weather there in Annapolis? I'll be there in about a month to visit my wife's 86 year old grandfather. He's retired NAVY and still plays golf 3 times a week at the Navy Acadamy course there. I love downtown Annapolis, and we usaually head over to Ocean City while we're out there too. Beautiful place to live, Annapolis. I'll keep an eye out on the road for your Cobra! Cheers.

Anybody else have any ideas?????

[clayfoushee]

SB,

One other thought based upon my research on 60's muscle cars, a lot of hot-rod-oriented dealers of all makes were into swapping engines to boost sales. This all happened with the whatever manufacturer winking and covering the warranty. Thus, the answer may be rather elusive depending upon how you pose the question.

As for Annapolis, while I think it happens to be one of the nicer places on the planet, of late it just rains too damn much! We're molding and mildewing here.

E-mail me, and I'll give you a number to call during your visit...will even buy you a beer or two.

[Excaliber]

,,,,and just to make it really interesting. What model Fords came with the SIDE OILER 427. Top Oiler? Center Oiler?

I would guess the "R" code Galaxies of 65 or so would have been 427 s.o.

[SFfiredog]

The only factory installed 427 side oilers that have been documented (standard production) are as follows:
Late '65 Galaxies (very few) All early production cars came with center oilers.
'66 and '67 Fairlanes and Comet/Cyclones
The above mentioned cars were equiped with the real deal, 410(4V)/425(8V) hp solid lifter, medium riser, side oiler 427s.
'68 Cougar GTE (390 hp hydraulic cam 427s)
The 427 was replaced in late '68 with the 428CJ
For such a famous engine Ford put scant few in actual production cars. I'd be willing to bet that from '63 to '68 Ford installed less than 2000 to 2500 427s of all types in production cars.
No wonder they are so rare.

The Cobras don't count just like the few 427's installed in GT 500s because Ford didn't build them.

--Mike

[Cobra20646]

Snakebitt may be right about changes between the 67 and 68 model year cars. I ordered a new 67 Mustang through the factory in the spring of 67. I couldn't get the 289 HO (so I was told), so setteled on the 289/220HP 4V engine. Not long after, I started a cam change and saw "302" cast in the lifter galley. I wonder how many other 67 (67 1/2 ?) cars of whatever model came with 68 components that are considered "not model year" stuff?

[Hotfingrs]

GTE Cougar didn't come out until 1968 and the only real difference between the 67 and 68 model years was the side marker lights, with 68 being the first year for all cars to have them.

[SFfiredog]

Hotfingrs,
You are correct. Sorry about the wrong date on the GTE.
In '68 Merc built 357 GTEs with 427s. In May of '68 and on, they built another 53 or so GTEs with 428CJs.
I have edited my orginal post.
Too bad Ford didn't do the same thing in '68 and built a Mustang GT"R" with a 427. That would have been a very cool car!
--Mike

[rdorman]

Originally posted by Cobra20646


I wonder how many other 67 (67 1/2 ?) cars of whatever model came with 68 components that are considered "not model year" stuff?

I have seen it a number of times. I once had a '73 car that had no 5 mile an hour bumber which was required in '73 and had a '72 engine. It was ordered that way in '72 hence the earlier pieces. I don't think it happens as much any more but back in the day it seemed to be some what common.

Rick

[grumpy]

Snakebitt,
The codes were;

FORD 427 SO CODES:
· A = Galaxie (63-68) NASCAR “in white”
· D = Falcon (64-66) Factory Race Units
· G = Comet (64-66) Factory Race Units
· M = Mercury (64-68) NASCAR “in white”
· M = Montego (67-69) NASCAR “in white”
· O = Fairlane (64-66) Factory Race Units
· O= Fairlane (67-69) NASCAR “in white”
· Z = Mustang (65-68) DSO Factory Issue

Not counting "specialty Division Cars for individuals, Engineering, and One off Show Cars.
grumpy

[aumoore]

Don't forget Boats that came with 427 FE's in them.

If you expect to find a old 427 ling around in a barn or old junkyard good luck. I would rather look for a snow cone stand at the North Pole or a Mickey D's in India.

[SnakeBitt]

SFfiredog: You beat me to it! I just got on the forum to type up what you already posted. Thanks for the info! I recieved the same info off the FE forum after trading e-mails with a few guys and was also made aware of the many boats that recieved 427's (although not "side oilers" from what I gathered).

Sounds like the kid I spoke to at the car show last weekend, got the shaft on his 67 "427" Cougar. No 427's were put in them until 68. I wish I could remember if his car had side turnsignals or not! Oh well.....

Now I'm off to check the code on MY block! Thanks for everyone's input!!