Which Ford block is this in my boat?

LURK · #1 (**permalink**) 08-28-2004, 10:39 AM

Greetings-

I came into posession of a 1976 Glastron 190 HP inboard/outboard motorboat. The registration says its engine is a Volvo/Penta, but that is just the lower unit- the motor itself bears a Glastron tag, but has Ford stamped on the block. Also stamped on the block is: D30E-9425-AA. The firing order stamped on the block was ground away at some point.

Goes anyone have any idea what motor this is? Or where I could go and look up info?

Thanks!

-John

Rick Parker · #2 (**permalink**) 08-28-2004, 10:49 AM

Looks like a 302 based on the valve cover spacing.

Rick

chuckmynatt · #3 (**permalink**) 08-28-2004, 12:24 PM

Based on the numbers you provided I can tell you it's a 1973 block out of a mid-sized sedan. I can't tell you the displacement.

Chuck

chuckmynatt · #4 (**permalink**) 08-28-2004, 12:27 PM

Oh, and the 9425 usually indicates an intake manifold.

Chuck

Ron61 · #5 (**permalink**) 08-28-2004, 12:35 PM

Chuck,

According to my book the engine was most likely in a 1973 Fairlane. And I think they used the 302 in a lot of those. My 75 Comet had a 302 and the same numbers except a 5 where his has the 3 and I had a G instead of the O. Also my book says the C in his number is for a 289/302 part.

Ron

LURK · #6 (**permalink**) 08-28-2004, 06:07 PM

Thanks guys! I knew I could get some skinny here...

A boat guy here claims it's a 289... I have no way of knowing for sure- but it sounds like the consensus is 302 so far...

-John

Woodz428 · #7 (**permalink**) 08-28-2004, 07:14 PM

It's obviously a Windsor. An easy way to determine whether it's a 302 or 351 is to look at the block casting by the distributor. If the manifold surface at that area is almost flush with the dist. opening it's a 302. The 351 is raised about an 1 1/4" above the opening and has a couple of reinforcement ribs along the manifold line. Unless the manifold was changed it's not a 289. 1968 was the last year for the 289.

MOTORHEAD · #8 (**permalink**) 08-28-2004, 07:42 PM

WDZ: Looks to me like the D30E-9425-AA number you said was on the block is actually on the intake manifold. ( I can see the accelerator pump just above the number) and Chuck says the 9425 denotes an intake manifold. I'll check my 351 parts book tomorrow and see if I can find a match.
Ted

Woodz428 · #9 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 06:11 AM

The # is obviously on the intake manifold. I was referring to the casting differences between a 289/302 block and a 351 that are easily seen by the distributor and don't need casting #'s to determine.

LURK · #10 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 08:56 AM

Thanks Woodz... and yeah... you all are right about the # being on the manifold. Can't get my head down into the boat to see anything lower...

Here's what the distributor opening looks like:

-John

Quote:

Originally posted by Woodz428

It's obviously a Windsor. An easy way to determine whether it's a 302 or 351 is to look at the block casting by the distributor. If the manifold surface at that area is almost flush with the dist. opening it's a 302. The 351 is raised about an 1 1/4" above the opening and has a couple of reinforcement ribs along the manifold line. Unless the manifold was changed it's not a 289. 1968 was the last year for the 289.

Ron61 · #11 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 09:30 AM

Maybe it is just my old eyes but from the last picture that still looks like a 302 to me. My 351 has the 1 1/4inch casting around the distributor that the intake sets on and from your picture it looks as if your intake is almost level with the distributor hole. It looks as if I can see just a little of the intake gasket on the right hand side, and it is almost level with the distributor hole if that is what I am seeing.

Ron

Woodz428 · #12 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 09:35 AM

Yeah, the picture shows a 302 style block surface. It is almost flush with the dist. opening.

Excaliber · #13 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 10:28 AM

Well that was to easy, lets try a hard one next time.

ID an FE from pictures!

Ron61 · #14 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 10:59 AM

Ernie,

I don't think Brent will allow you to post the numbers of pictures it would take to ID an FE engine. Every one from the 332 through the 428s look the same on the outside. Now if you could post a picture of the lower side of a side oiler block that would help. Of course the Big Block / Small Block identification would be simple. The Big Block would be in 100s of pieces and the Small Block would still be all together.

Ron

Excaliber · #15 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 11:07 AM

SO,,, your saying the 427 in a 'hand grenade' box would be to easy to spot?

...and no pics of the side of the engine, TO easy!

Ron61 · #16 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 11:14 AM

Ernie,

Actually we wouldn't need pictures of the side of the engine. All of the parts on the ground around it and the big puddle of oil under it would be a dead give away.

Ron

MOTORHEAD · #17 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 11:40 AM

Just to beat a dead horse:
WDZ: Sorry for my brain fart, Lurk said the number was on the block. It was past my bed time last night !!!
Lurk: My Ford Industrial/Marine manual shows a part # D3JE-9424-AA for a two barrel 302CI. # for 351 is E6JE-9424-BB 4V.
Your # doesn't quite match the part #, and my 351's don't match either. I think what we are looking at are casting #'s as opposed to the catalog part #, but your casting # starting with D3 is not
a 351.
Also the block height behind the distributor seems to be definitive:
its a 302.
Good luck with the boat!!
Ted

chuckmynatt · #18 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 06:24 PM

I think he should just pull the heads, both to be sure, and measure the bore & stroke. Then we can all say " yup, it's a 302" and we can all sleep well tonight.

LURK · #19 (**permalink**) 08-29-2004, 07:52 PM

Thanks fellas! 302 it is... starts up every time and it goes like stink! Think I'll keep it- best $500 I've ever spent. Think I'll leave the heads on for now...

Thanks again- if you ever need anything up my way, y'all be sure to let me know

-John