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Old 09-28-2006, 11:24 PM
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hahahah, how do you know?
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I guess it's an 'art' as much as a 'science'.
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thanks ya'all.. i will search for a few posts on the subject and give it a shot....
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Smile Lash setting.

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thanks ya'all.. i will search for a few posts on the subject and give it a shot....
Write your firing order down like this;( Lucky FE's all have same firing order)

1 5 4 2
6 3 7 8

Now when the valves on #6 cyl are 'rocking' ( ex closing/ in opening ) set the lash on # 1 valves, turn crank 1/4 turn clockwise and set #5 (#3 rocking), and so on. When you get finished on #2 the next set of 'Rocking' valves will be #1 to set #6. Use a marker pen to check off each valve after you have set it, when you have 16 marked valves your done!

Go on have a go, If you set them at the recommended lash you can never get one too tight, only too loose, and you will hear that.

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On Fords numbering order is passenger side front to back 1, 2, 3, 4 on driver's side front to back 5, 6, 7, 8. Correct me if I'm incorrect.

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Bob is correct see:



Here:
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I was not giving the firing order but rather the numbering order.

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Than you are correct SIR I was derailed by Jac Mac.
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Brent,
I do remember that you had a problem several years ago but what was it and what was the cure? I ask because i have a new set of those and am now concerned.
Kmarccoco, I have always set mine like Jerry and Keith.
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I should add the caution to if you are setting the lash by the firing order that you have a degreed dampner or at least marks exactly at tdc,90,ddc,270 and be exactly on the mark--The camshaft turns at half speed of the crank and will be on the base circle unless the cam is severely mis-timed.
I have never seen a cam with specs that would have any acceleration or deaceleration ramp in play at that point.

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[quote=Jac Mac]:

Write your firing order down like this;( Lucky FE's all have same firing order)

1 5 4 2
6 3 7 8

Now when the valves on #6 cyl are 'rocking' ( ex closing/ in opening ) set the lash on # 1 valves, turn crank 1/4 turn clockwise and set #5 (#3 rocking), and so on. When you get finished on #2 the next set of 'Rocking' valves will be #1 to set #6. Use a marker pen to check off each valve after you have set it, when you have 16 marked valves your done!


when you say "now when the valves on #6 cyl are rocking", do you mean the cyl 6 in your diagram or the actual cyl number six?
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Smile Lash Setting

The actual cylinder number six.

The reason I did the setting order like that is you can work your way thru lash setting in only two complete turns of the crank [1/4 turn at a time] and the cyl you are working on will be above or below the one with the valve's rocking.

Example- Set #1 with#6 rocking, Set#5 with#3 rocking, Set#4 with#7 rocking, Set#2 with#8 rocking, Set#6 with#1 rocking, Set#3 with#5 rocking, Set#7 with #4 rocking, Set#8 with#2 rocking.

All of this is easier with the plugs removed. When you bring the crank round to TDC watch the valves on cyls #1 & #6. One or the other will be in the rocking[ex closing/in opening]. If its #1 rocking turn the crank one more complete turn so that you can start your lash settings on #1. The front pulley can be marked with a piece of chalk or tape for each 1/4 turn[90deg] to help the process if you desire. I see a few guy's advocating the use of 'bump' switches. I prefer to remove the plugs & turn the crank with a ratchet& socket on the nose of the crank, or if your working on a smooth shop floor put the trans in top gear and rock the car forward to each checking point[ that may be difficult on Cobras w/o flip front ]

While JAY has the actual cyl numbers in the correct layout, he has superimposed them on a CHEV block, which staggers the bores the other way from Ford blocks. Hopefully that will only confuse the chevy owners who browse this forum looking for ideas.

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While JAY has the actual cyl numbers in the correct layout, he has superimposed them on a CHEV block, which staggers the bores the other way from Ford blocks. Hopefully that will only confuse the chevy owners who browse this forum looking for ideas.
I cannot take credit for that piece of artwork
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Ken,
Just curious from a conversation a while back, were you able to complete a compression check and get readings on all cylinders by chance?
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