Ford Racing 427-W

[mikeforte]

Hope all is well.

We are pleased to announce that our new Ford Racing 427 Cubic Inch Crate Engine part numbers are now active for ordering.

Estimated Delivery is early March 2010.

This is a lot of motor for this price!!

M-6007-Z427FRT 427 CUBIC INCHES 535 HP CRATE ENGINE REAR SUMP
M-6007-Z427FFT 427 CUBIC INCHES 535 HP CRATE ENGINE FRONT SUMP



M-6007-Z427FRT Shown
Note: Does not come with Distributor nor intake manifold.
MSD distributor #85840 and Edelbrock intake manifold #2924 recommended

Retail $ 8,800.00
Jobber $ 8,400.00 Call Mike for special price!!!


The company that created the famous 427 FE engine announces a modern version of the legendary motor. Built on Ford Racing's new BOSS 351 block the 427 crate engine is engineered and built for drive-ability and durability while still offering a throaty growl. Ideal for Ford projects requiring big power in a reliable small block package.
427 cubic inches (4.125" bore x 4.00" stroke)
535 hp @ 5600 rpm (STP), 505 hp @5600 rpm SAE
545 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm (STP), 520 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm (SAE)
10.4:1 compression ratio (nominal)
Forged Mahle® pistons
SCAT® forged steel H-beam connecting rods
Hydraulic roller camshaft
Intake duration 294° @ .006" lift 242° @ .050" intake
Exhaust duration 300° @ .006" lift 248° @ .050" exhaust
Valve lift intake .576"
Valve lift exhaust .600"
Double Roller Timing Chain M-6268-B302
SCAT® forged steel crankshaft
Ford Racing 4-bolt Main Block M-6010-BOSS35195
High-performance oil pans
Rear sump pan fits most Mustang K-members (M-6007-Z427FRT)
Front sump pan fits most kits cars (M-6007-Z427FFT)
Ford Racing Aluminum “Z” Cylinder Heads M-6049-Z304DA with 2.02"intake valves and 1.60" exhaust valves
Roller Rocker Arms (1.65:1 ratio) M-6564-F351
New block, oil and water pumps, performance oil pan and highperformance harmonic balancer
Can be used in kit cars, street rods, Mustangs, Fox-bodied cars and trucks
Does NOT include distributor or intake manifold
MSD distributor #85840 and Edelbrock intake manifold #2924 recommended
Depending on your application, a different timing cover, water pump, performance oil pan and pickup may be required. See installation

[Goober]

That sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Are they offering the same warranty that they currently do?

Mark

[mikeforte]

Hi Mark,
These are Ford Racing engines that have the 12 month 12,000 mile warranty. I think it's a great deal. I can assemble it to turnkey and run it on my engine dyno....

[LMH]

Hey Mike
Does Ford happen to sell it as a short block?
I have a set of Victor Jr heads.
Larry

[RedBarchetta]

Originally Posted by LMH

Hey Mike
Does Ford happen to sell it as a short block?
I have a set of Victor Jr heads.
Larry

I was going to ask a similar question. The Victor Jrs. (and I believe AFRs) have 2.05 intakes. How come Ford skimped on flow and stuck with 2.02's?

Also what is the lobe center angle on the cam? 112*? 110*?

Thanks,

-Dean

[mikeforte]

Hi Guys,
I just emailed Ford Racing to see what they have in shortblocks.

[madmaxx]

Can one of you engine guru's determine the difference between this engine and the Roush 427? I know one is a Boss 351 block and one is a Dart. Any big difference between those two? It also looks like the Ford has a little higher compression ratio. It looks to be about $5K cheaper than the Roush.

[mikeforte]

Hi Dean & Larry
,
For those looking for a 427-W shortblock, and shipping is FREE in the US. Here it is:

M-6009-427F 427 CUBIC INCHES BOSS SHORT BLOCK

Retail $4,999.00
Jobber $4,699.00



In stock!

427 cubic inches
Boss 4-bolt main block M-6010-BOSS35195 – 9.5" deck height
Mahle forged aluminum 4.125" bore pistons with valve reliefs for Z304, N351, GT-40 and other inline valve Windsor cylinder heads. 17cc effective dish volume, check piston to valve clearance
.005" below piston to deck height nominal
SCAT 4.000" stroke forged steel crank
SCAT forged steel H beam connecting rods with floating pin

Hydraulic roller camshaft compatible

Neutral Balance rotating assembly

Recommended cylinder head fasteners M-6065-BOSS head bolts, M-6014-BOSS studs, or M-6014-Z304 studs, depending on application

Designed for M-6049-X306//X307/C3/D3/Z304DA cylinder heads. Not designed for production 302/351W or M-6049-Y302/Y303/X302/X303/X304/X305 cylinder heads

Assembled and ready for your heads, cam and timing chain set

Requires head gaskets M-6051-R351

[mikeforte]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

Can one of you engine guru's determine the difference between this engine and the Roush 427? I know one is a Boss 351 block and one is a Dart. Any big difference between those two? It also looks like the Ford has a little higher compression ratio. It looks to be about $5K cheaper than the Roush.

Hi madmaxx,
The Roush engine is similar but different. They are both good engines and the Roush is more money. This is a smoking deal for everything included.

[RedBarchetta]

Thanks. Mike. Any luck on additional cam specs (lobe separation angle)? More curious than anything.

-Dean

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

Can one of you engine guru's determine the difference between this engine and the Roush 427? I know one is a Boss 351 block and one is a Dart. Any big difference between those two? It also looks like the Ford has a little higher compression ratio. It looks to be about $5K cheaper than the Roush.

Check the parts list again... this Ford Racing 427W is more of a Long Block Plus if you will, not a complete engine, no dyno, no 2 year warranty with labor... etc.

[MFE III]

Nice motor. It's list is about $1100 less than a Smeding 427w, but you don't get the carb, dizzy, wires,plugs,intake manifold, dyno or additional 12 month warranty.
http://www.smedingperformance.com/fo...orsepower.html
The question is, what kind of a number will "wheelin dealin" Mike let them go for.

[mikeforte]

Hi,
The Edelbrock Vic Jr., Holley carb & dual feed line, MSD distribtor & wire set plus, alt bracket, pulley kit & alt, starter will total about $1800.00. That is still $3000.00 less than the Roush 427.
With all the intake options & choice of EFI or Holley Carb, Stack injection or Webers, the parts that are not included are what most people change anyways....

[Cashburn]

Sometimes it's not just the parts themselves but the quality of the parts as well... don't forget the billet wire looms, air cleaner, k&n filter, flywheel, block plate, fuel pump, fuel lines and fittings, additional hardware to complete, etc.

The head to heads sometimes get a bit muddy...

That said the engine is a great value, exactly why we are embracing it: Backdraft / Ford Racing 427 Promotion

[mikeforte]

Hi Jay,
I agree the Roush is complete. The Ford Racing 427 lets you build it the way you want with the "Look" you may want. Call it artistic possibilities!!! I really like the "427-W" valve covers...
Anyone interested in one of these Ford engines, I can finish assemble it and dyno it before pickup or delivery.

[madmaxx]

I hope the Ford 427 performs, I cant wait to see some actual dyno numbers and run hours on them. As usual it will go back to quality control during the assemlby and balancing.
I have been thrilled with my Roush and for a pessimistic bastard like me that says alot. Now if I can save a couple / three grand on my next project and get the same result I am all for it.

[Xavier]

It sounds like a great thing and I think certainly will change things in the crate engine industry, not from the Roush, I think people are willing to pay more for a Roush to get it from Roush, I think most people by a Roush to say it is a Roush and I cannot blame them for that.

But for a smaller crate engine building companies building a 427w specifically geared towards the kit builder at $10K, 12k or more (complete mind you) with no Dyno, no brand name to build from, rebuilt from a old block in Lord knows what condition, I would certainly think this would impact how many they sell or would have to review their pricing.

I like the fact it does not come with the other stuff and is incomplete, certainly thats adds to the cost, but I don't want to use FMS stuff anyway on the balance of the motor.

This is a great deal...I wish I had another project to dump it in.

[madmaxx]

I agree. The bottom line will be longevity and customer service. I have heard good and bad stores about FMS. I have also heard and good and bad about Roush. I have never heard bad about Keith Craft customer service out of the Arkansas branch. The best warranty is the one you never need. If KC can compete on price he could take the market. In the end he will be in between Roush and FMS and should have no problems selling his engines.

[azsprint6]

I did end up going with KC's 427w and am very pleased. The Ford 427 is an outstanding value with all good components. Two reasons why I did'nt go with Ford Racing are first the time delays and the biggest is the fact that the exhaust ports on the Z heads are .600 higher. Not sure of other kits but on the Hurricane that would put the (supplied) headers right into the brake masters and the steering shaft. Did'nt really care to modify or replace them. My KC dynoed at 563 HP and 583 TRQ. with a 2 year warranty and a very reasonable COMPLETE engine price. Dan, Hurricane #1011

[mln385]

Just a note the FMS might have the Roush engineering behind it, Roush does do allot with Ford in general.

The positives on either a Roush or FMS is the dealer network for parts or repair, not saying anything against KC just they don't have the same network.

Also as eluded to above the best warranty is the one you don't use.