Roush 402IR 8 stack $44k ?

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Of course, but use your noggin Don, if TinMan's car craps out again when he gets it next month do you really think I'll be the one to turn the thread in to an SPF bashing frenzy? Now surely you can reason that one through.

patrickt, if the engine craps out as it did before it will not be Superformance that will be the object of my ire it will be Roush and Voss Performance. That said, I am the eternal optimist and given the guys at Bowler Transmission, Roush and Voss have jumped on this to correct what has got to be one of the biggest marketing gaffes of the century I will hold off judgement until I get seat time in the car. I am hearing from Erick Voss its handling and driving like a dream.

I will test drive my car in California on December 12th and I expect it to be perfect. If the car so much as farts or acts funny and stumbles and fails you will hear a shout so loud it will resonate around the world and there will be a second coming of biblical proportions. I am a patient guy but if this happens for a second time, well, it will be time for me to go postal. waa, high drama, huh?

Cheers, John, AKA, tin-man

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by tin-man

I will test drive my car in California on December 12th and I expect it to be perfect. If the car so much as farts or acts funny and stumbles and fails you will hear a shout so loud it will resonate around the world and there will be a second coming of biblical proportions. I am a patient guy but if this happens for a second time, well, it will be time for me to go postal. waa, high drama, huh?

Make absolutely, positively sure your gas tank is at least half full. I have a feeling that even just running out of gas on the turnpike could now push you over the edge. Seriously though, what was their solution to the "bucking" that you and I talked about off-line? Was it a re-programming of the computer controls?

[madmaxx]

Good point. The spf fuel tank is not a box, when you hit half on the fuel gauge you have about 5 gallons, good thing it takes a long time to get to half but when it does find a gas station.

Originally Posted by patrickt

Make absolutely, positively sure your gas tank is at least half full. I have a feeling that even just running out of gas on the turnpike could now push you over the edge. Seriously though, what was their solution to the "bucking" that you and I talked about off-line? Was it a re-programming of the computer controls?

[madmaxx]

Tin man

You dont need advice as your appear to be perfect balanced but dont feel the need to explain anything to all us Monday Morning quarterbacks. Heck I did the exact same thing you did, only difference is my pockets were not as deep as yours. You keep being nice and dont start bad mouthing something or someone you may actually make me feel guilty, LOL!!!

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Seriously though, what was their solution to the "bucking" that you and I talked about off-line? Was it a re-programming of the computer controls?

patrickt, see my answer under "Here's the skinny....78 miles" thread, we have really hi-jacked this thread for too long. Cheers, John

[Keithc8]

John,
You are correct about the marketing aspect. We have pretty much been involved in several different events, grass roots racing, Cobra events, given engines to the Ohio Cobra club for their raffle car when Roush would not, NHRA National record holders with FE, 302, 351W and 351C Ford engine in Stock and Super Stock, supplied engines to probably more than 300 cobras to this point plus many early and late model Mustangs.
We have not spent as much on marketing because we are engine guys and not marketing guys. The Roush crate engine program was set up by a marketing guy and not an engine guy. He bragged to me several times about what he had done with the Roush name and such.
Real Ford guys know us and most hard core Cobra guys know us. The new comer and the ones that do not do their research may not. The small block stuff is pretty easy but the FE is a differnet animal and I do not think there is anybody that has build more of them than us or done as many FE heads and blocks as us. We do about 70 to 80 complete FE engine a year, not counting short blocks, heads, crank kits and related parts.
We do not do as much as we did 5 years ago. Some by design, some because of the market. We are at a point where we do not have to do an engine for everyone, some you are better to not deal with. Every customer is different, their needs and wants vary from customer to customer. They may think they want one thing but we know when in the car and running that they would not be happy with that combination. It is part of our job to figure these things out. Every engine build has a customers name on it and is built for him. We do not do cookie cutter engines that are setting on the shelf then pulled out and shipped. We do have combinations that we know that work but we make sure it is right for the customer. We also have engines that we do for certain car builders and racers that are the same for pricing reasons and rules that the sactioning body may have.
I hope that things get handled on your car. We have had problems on engines in past, no one is perfect but we try to handle them to a happy ending.

Good luck, Keith Craft

[FUNFER2]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Forget the part-by-part cost comparison. Examine the horsepower-per-dollar comparison.
Roush's 511 that makes 572 horsepower is a 1.12 horsepower-per-cube, under achiever -for $50K plus in Tin's case.
That will not sound like a 'freight train'. It will sound like money flying out of your pocket.
Keith, Barry and others here easily make 650 HP for half that cost. And if you only want 570 HP they'll make it in smaller displacements for far less cash.
Keith's right about the assemblers and dealers being Roush cheerleaders.

I agree profoundly. You're paying for the Roush name, just like Carroll Shelby's signature on your cobra's dash. I'll keep that money and put it to better use. Can't go wrong with the famed FE builders we all know here for HP, quality & price. Kiss your money away for a over priced "Roush".

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by FUNFER2

I agree profoundly. You're paying for the Roush name, just like Carroll Shelby's signature on your cobra's dash. I'll keep that money and put it to better use. Can't go wrong with the famed FE builders we all know here for HP, quality & price. Kiss your money away for a over priced "Roush".

This thread has had some interesting comments and opinions, so for all the newbie's out there and the enthusiasts who are about ready to pull the trigger, what collective advice does the membership offer on engine and manufacturer considerations? I am not proposing a BB vs. SB advice, but in general depending on the pro's and con's for each manufacturer and their engine build history, pricing, quality, after sale service, warrantees and customer satisfaction. Just a thought since I am not aware of a go to thread for this type of information nor aware of an opinion poll.

Cheers tin-man

[Dimis]

Tin-man,

It's a game of each to his own...

What you've gone and built is/will be a ripper car, a top of the line monster.
You have every right to be proud of your car & you need not justify to anyone why you chose what you chose... It's all quality!

I'm just not brave enough to deal with your engine supplier.
I worry about products that are "over marketed".
I like it when products speak for themselves and don't need guys in flashy suits to flog them off.
For me its about the craft & art.
I prefer real value vs it's perceived value.

Plus Im jealous I can't afford it

[Dimis]

Sorry... Double post :-(

[FUNFER2]

Originally Posted by tin-man

This thread has had some interesting comments and opinions, so for all the newbie's out there and the enthusiasts who are about ready to pull the trigger, what collective advice does the membership offer on engine and manufacturer considerations? I am not proposing a BB vs. SB advice, but in general depending on the pro's and con's for each manufacturer and their engine build history, pricing, quality, after sale service, warrantees and customer satisfaction. Just a thought since I am not aware of a go to thread for this type of information nor aware of an opinion poll.

Cheers tin-man

Like I mentioned before my friend, you have nothing to apologize for or be ashamed of buying your Roush engine. You have a great looking and fun HP & TQ numbers, plus they sound awesome. I must, bling my cobra and engine with chrome & polished aluminum, other cobra owners leave the motor and aluminum un-painted and natural and tease me about my bright work, and that's fine, it's built the way I want it, and the same goes for you !
I'll bet when people see what's under your hood, you get people in ahh,...ohoo !,...as it's a wonderful engine. I just think you pay extra for the Roush name, just as with his Mustang line up. If I had the money, a Roush Mustang would also be in my garage.


Here's my opinion about overpriced engines. We race 360/410 winged dirt cars and build our own motors. For us to build a brand new everything, from the injection to oil pan, it's around $30,000. From any of the famed sprint car engine builders, it's around $40,000, the aluminum 410 apx. $55,000 (+).

The same 700 to 900 HP/TQ built by us or them.

There is no,.....difference in parts, between our engine or these famed builders, so why pay the extra, just because of their "name factor" ?

I believe that you pay extra for the Roush name, where as with Keith, Barry, and others, you don't.

That's all I'm saying bud & have fun !!!


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