9 Qt Canton Street/Road Race Oil Pan

[cobra 53]

SBF 302

How much Qt`s of Oil is the minimum you have to put in in a 9 Qt Canton Street/road Race Oil Pan?

The Dipstick marks FULL, and the Oil Pan has only 2" high OIL LEVEL in the Pan. Approx. 4 Qt`s !!! And The rest ??

I detect it on my last drive, when the Oil Temp. indicator jumpt to the max. driving a little bit hard in turns, and then it jumps back and forward.

Filling up two Qt`s moore Oil, the problem disappears. That makes now 6 Qt`s of Oil. And the rest ??

Rico

[DAVID GAGNARD]

I'm not sure I understand your question, but a 9 qt. Canton pan will hold 9 quarts and then you have to add whatever your oil filter will hold........

Did you check your dipstick level when you put the pan on?????
I have 2 engines with the 8 qt. Canton road race pan and before installation, I put 8 quarts of water in them and measured the water level to the top of the pan,from there I put the dipstick in (mine is in the timing chain cover) and measured how much it went past the bottom of the block and from all this could figure wihin the pan gasket thickness where the full level should be on the dipstick.........which BTW was the factory mark, both Canton pans and the factory Ford pan where the same depth,so the factory dipstick was accurate....

When both Canton pans were filled with water,the level was just touching the bottom of the windage tray in the pan....

David

[DAVID GAGNARD]

You can't just stick any old dipstick in and expect it to be accurate, Ford made numerous depth oil pans and the corresponding correct dipstick for each..I have no less than 6 Ford factory dipsticks and they are all different lengths,by as much as 2 inches...if you do not know where the oil level should be or how deep the dipstick is in the block,do not use the marks on the dipstick, your just guessing..........

David

[flaflier]

You sure that's not a trick question, " how much oil do I put in a 9 qt pan"?

[FUNFER2]

Put in the 9 qts., run the motor to circulate, let it sit for a few minutes, then recheck with the dipstick. If,... you need to change the dipstick mark, take a blade and make your own mark.

[JBCOBRA]

You may need to adjust the dipstick. They are to be dialed in.

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by cobra 53

SBF 302

How much Qt`s of Oil is the minimum you have to put in in a 9 Qt Canton Street/road Race Oil Pan?
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Originally Posted by flaflier

You sure that's not a trick question, " how much oil do I put in a 9 qt pan"?

Try using 9 quarts in a 9 quart pan. It is always a good idea! Put the dipstick in. Take the dipstick out. Mark the dipstick so you can see your new pan full mark. Always fill the pan to that level.

Try not to over complicate the simple and straight forward.

Ed

[cobra 53]

Good morning all,

thanks for the replays.

No, it is not a trick question.

The car arrives two monts ago from USA to me in Spain. As the former owner was not so interrest in the car, I hav to find out a lot of tech.answares of me self.
Checking out the Oil level with a ordinary wire shows me a useless Dipstick.
I hope the former owner was not driving the car with only 5 Qt`s of Oil in the engine!!!
Completet the required amount of Oil, and the Dipstick has now a new FULL MARK.

NOTE: New Oil Brand: Castrol EDGE FST 10w/60

Rico

[PLDRIVE]

Technical Its not a 9 Qt pan. It is a 9 Qt SYSTEM. System accounts for oil filter.
Dipstick needs to be calibrated to read full when 9 quarts are in the SYSTEM.

Mark

[mike harter]

on some oil pans you have to cut the dipstick tube to adjust for your 9 qts. In other words drain all oil out put in your 9 qts. the cut your tube to adjust where you want your oil on the stick. Then add a half qt. for your oil filter

[Pete Munroe]

Cobra 53

Now you have the dipstick "calibrated"...bet a lot of these cars do not have one...!

Do you know what type CAM SHAFT your engine has?

If it's a hydraulic ROLLER cam you can probably safely use a "modern" oil like the Castrol EDGE FST 10w/60 you are running.

If it's a FLAT TAPPET cam...whether hydraulic or solid lifter consider adding ZDDP. There are additives that will do it or better, use one of the "old" formula oils that include ZDDP. There are several brands, Brad Penn comes to mind.

The lobes on a flat tappet camshaft will probably erode without a high pressure additive...specifically ZDDP.

(Roller-cam engines don't really need it).

Look up ZDDP. It is a anti-scuff, high-pressure additive for engines that have the flat tappet cam. ISKY, COMP CAMS and others have additives you

OK, how you would determine the lifter type without pulling the intake manifold I do know...! in which case running a ZDDP additive would be good insurance.

Pete

Must be several threads that deal with lack of ZDDP and destroyed flat tapped cams.

[cobra 53]

Hi Pete

As I could find on the dokuments/tech.papers about the car`s engine, the cam is a COMP CAM produkt.

Rico

[Pete Munroe]

Cobra 53,

I just called Comp Cams the tech finally found it by its specs and said it is SOLID ROLLER.

(guessed it may be hard for you to call the 800 number from Spain...)

On oil, he said you do NOT have to have ZDDP in the oil.

A lot of folks would suggest it can't hurt to have ZDDP in the oil, like from Brad Penn, Joe Gibbs and others.

The ZDDP was removed for modern cars as it has the potential to foul the catalysts in the smog system.

The machinist I am working with on my new engine builds racing engines all week long, sprint cars, track cars, baja racers and says they use Brad Penn pretty exclusively and most of there builds are rollerized.

My new engine is hydraulic roller, roller rockers, etc. but the machinist said please use "Brad Penn break-in oil" 30wt and then the normal Brad Penn 10-30 or 40 afterwards.

Be sure to read ALL the threads on how to keep a SOLID ROLLER alive...mainly it seems be avoiding idling as the "splash lubrication" is NOT adequate...and the clearances DO have to be adjusted periodically.

Bet you will get lots of tips on how to take care of the solid roller!

Have fun,

Pete

[YerDugliness]

Guys, maybe I'm just simple minded, but wouldn't the need to "re-calibrate" the dipstick depend on the pickup being used?

If the Canton pan required a change of pickup, then I can see how adding 9 quarts and marking the level might be right, but if the standard pickup were used with the Canton pan, would the original mark on the dipstick not be correct?

I ask b/c at some point I hope to replace the "double-sump" Fox body oil pan on my replica with a similar pan....don't most pans come complete with their own recommended pickup tube?

Cheers!

Dugly

[FUNFER2]

Hey Dugly do right !

"don't most pans come complete with their own recommended pickup tube"?

Yes,...and any company should. Mine is sponsored from Canton and included their pickup. What they tell you is correct for any application. Great products.

[PLDRIVE]

Dugly that would make sense, however; Canton makes a BUNCH of different pans which would require a specific dipstick for each pan (costly).

Mark

[FUNFER2]

Their not too costly, versus others. Get what they recommend and install it according per the instructions and be done with it. Very simple guys.

[PLDRIVE]

I think u missed the point. They only makes a few dipsticks so u need to cut,bend and calibrate to your pan . U Might be supprised how many people are unaware of this.