Strange & Scary Sounds From Rear Wheel

[WardL]

Wish it was Halloween and I don't have a problem. I've got 6,700 miles on this baby. I went on a 200 mile trip today and about mile 50 I noticed a "wheel" noise. It is not related to engine speed, but vehicle speed. At speeds below 5 MPH there is no noise I can hear. Then about 10 MPH it becomes noticeable. Above 50 MPH the other noises cover over the sound. It is a frequency of a flat spot on the tire. The sound is like a scraping sound, oh like a disk rotor that is scraping on one side. Maybe the Cobra does slow down slightly, but not noticeably. You hear the sound much more than the sense the Cobra is slowing down. I looked a little underneath and only found some fine white dust at the bottom of the coil-over spring. Nothing seemed any hotter on one side or the other. The brakes are smooth and even and don't change the sound. Any guesses? I wana get 'er fixed ASAP as a lot happening in the NW in August!

[Blas]

You also have an email....
IMMEDIATELY CHECK THE MOUNTING BOLTS ON THE CALIPER BEFORE DRIVING THE CAR AGAIN.
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ISSUE: Brake caliper bolts loose / backing out
AFFECTING: Numerical chassis I.D. number in approximately the 2800 range
CAUSE: Lack of sufficient thread locking compound on the caliper bolts which can allow the bolts to loosen, back out
possibly locking up the affected wheel which could result in loss of control
DIAGNOSIS: Check caliper bolts for tightness and/or check if they easily loosen.
SOLUTION: Remove both front and rear brake caliper bolts and apply sufficient amount of the appropriate thread locking
compound and reinstall and torque to specifications.
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Note: Source of this info was an old email reference I kept. Original source unknown. (It was suggested it was the owners forum)

[mattpatt]

My understanding is that the brake (and other?) bolt installation problems were traced to a particular Hi-Tech employee and that torque-striping critical bolts was implements. I've checked under my car (#3033) and found that: 1) torque-striping appeared to be applied to critical bolt and 2) in some cases the stiping was not applied adequately enough to provide the function it was intended to provide. When correctly applied, striping will show a crack if a bolt loosens up at all. An intact stripe means that the bolt was properly torqued (with sealant a/r) and has not moved since installation - like the safety wire on your wheels which breaks if the nut turns. The stripe must be applied so it bridges the surfaces that will move relative to each other if the bolt rotates (e.g., from bolt head, across any washers and to the frame or part). I found some that miss the critical bridging part on my car..

Just some things to look for.

Matt

[gary osborne]

Blas…really…..REALLY????????

"Note: Source of this info was an old email reference I kept. Original source unknown. (It was suggested it was the owners forum)"

This was not an old email. It is copyrighted material that you illegally obtained and passed on….apparently AFTER someone explained it and you just chose to pretend it was just another email. Maybe the letters in your name are out of order…..Bals

[Got the Bug]

I don't get it. When it's a safety issue that could prevent bodily harm to one of our fellow Superformance/Club Cobra members, who cares where the information come from or whether it's copyrighted.

I get service notes or repair instructions, but this is different.

[gary osborne]

It is ILLEGAL…..It is STOLEN…..Tough concepts to understand? If you read a book and like it and want to share some information that you gleaned from it, you have every right to tell whomever you want. But you CANNOT legally copy it and share it with others. I have one of Blas’s wiring diagrams that he sells. How would he like it if I copied it and shared it freely with others? Hmmmm……that gives me an idea.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by gary osborne

It is ILLEGAL…..It is STOLEN…..Tough concepts to understand?

Pffft...! YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT!?!?

Feel free to fine me, jail me, or sue me, for the theft of this information which just may have saved a dude, and his passenger's, not to mention innocent bystander's lives!

Gary - Dear Sir, Have you lost all sense?

BLAS - You have my Vote - Well done Sir!

[gary osborne]

Dimis…..One vote for Blas and I’m betting one for Obama in Nov.

Yep…you caught me. I admit that I am among the diminishing numbers of people who still get up in the morning, go to work, work hard for what I have and don’t believe in stealing from others. I believe that there is a place in the world for integrity and fairness. I do not believe that just because you want something that someone else worked hard for, you have the right to take it away from them and get it for free.

Tell you what….there are all kinds of manuals and books at your local car parts store. Most have a fairly extensive library. Go on in there and load up and try walking out without paying for them. After all, there is surely information in them that addresses safety issues with cars and YOU deserve to have it right?

As for this specific issue.

1) Blas signed a binding contract that said in exchange for numerous privileges, including but not limited to access to certain technical information, he would not steal it and publish it. He broke that contract.

2) Sharing information CAN create certain liabilities for the author if it is shared as “fact” and someone acts on the information and it is determined later to be wrong. So not only did he break a contract, he put himself and others at risk on liability issues.

3) The information he published illegally is old outdated information and is WRONG. So while YOU think he may have “saved some dude”, the reality is that he may have hurt more that he saved.

I have no issue if he wants to share something he learned with others. That is selfless and admirable. But that does not excuse stealing and or breaching a contract for personal gain, even if that gain has no monetary benefit to anyone. There are right ways and wrong ways to handle almost any issue. Integrity dictates proper procedures.

If Blas really wants to help people, get him to GIVE you his wiring diagram for free. How dare he charge for such a thing. There are all sorts of safety issues that are controlled by electronics in our cars. Everyone has the RIGHT to get that for free based on your opinion and his actions. Of course, I already have the wiring diagram that I bought and paid for with my hard earned money. But I never felt like I deserved to reap the benefits of Blas’s labor for free.

You tight wad penny pinching socialists kill me.

[Silverback51]

Sorry Ward, I meant to look at that before I left yesterday and forgot.

Did it get worse on the way home or was it the same?

Put the car up on jack stands and have someone put it in gear and see if you can hear the noise.

[jeffgrice]

Hey All,

I fully understand the sensitivity to agreements participants of SCOF have signed (me included).

But I do not believe the spirit of that agreement is that SCOF owns all the IP and anything learned, during the experience, cannot be shared.

There are a myriad, at the least, of examples of SCOF members who routinely share their general intelligence of which some bits have come to pass through intell shared on SCOF.

I believe the spirit is to not forward directly (e.g. forward emails) information from SCOF to outside sources, particularly information presented as privileged (which has happened from time-to-time).

I would suggest clarity on this matter as there are many many members who routinely share "intel" gained during their tenure on SCOF

Jeff




Jeff

[JBCOBRA]

The SCOF mentality amazes me.
Kind of like "The Loyal Order of Racoons"
These are just toy cars. If they can be made safer, tell people. Sheesh

Originally Posted by jeffgrice

Hey All,

I fully understand the sensitivity to agreements participants of SCOF have signed (me included).

But I do not believe the spirit of that agreement is that SCOF owns all the IP and anything learned, during the experience, cannot be shared.

There are a myriad, at the least, of examples of SCOF members who routinely share their general intelligence of which some bits have come to pass through intell shared on SCOF.

I believe the spirit is to not forward directly (e.g. forward emails) information from SCOF to outside sources, particularly information presented as privileged (which has happened from time-to-time).

I would suggest clarity on this matter as there are many many members who routinely share "intel" gained during their tenure on SCOF

Jeff




Jeff

[madmaxx]

I have read about a number of rear wheel bearing issues also. I like the idea of jacking the car up and spinning the wheel by hand, if you see the caliper rub the wheel it would be apparent that it is loose or broken. If it is the wheel bearing search this forumn for the part numbers.

[gary osborne]

Jeff Grice….you are absolutely right. There are very good reasons for all of the scof rules. I would not expect those who do not participate to understand because ignorance of something allows for very broad uninformed opinions to form. Hell, I have a LOT of uninformed opinions. I just try not to force them on others.

You are also right that ANYONE can take TECH information they learn on scof and share it. The tech information itself is not proprietary. What they cannot do is copy and forward to others in its original format. Many scof members generously share information with others on this forum (Club Cobra) as well as others. No one on scof has any issue with that.

However, you also know that there ARE personal things discussed on scof that are intended for a specific audience and the author knows who they are and they share what they choose to share. If half the discussions on scof are car related, I would be surprised. The reason the members are as close as they are is because they share an “understanding” and therefore “trust” is there. Without the trust, it would just be another forum….. so why bother.

JBCobra…...With these understandings in mind, rules were set to remove “judgement calls” by members who might tend to blur the lines between what is and is not appropriate to share. No one is to be “quoted” outside of the forum for that reason. Personal non-car related information is to remain private. Tech information can be and is encouraged to be shared as long as no one is quoted or exact copies are not forwarded outside the forum. There are LEGAL reasons for that.

I know that many don’t “get the confidence” we share but that does not give every nonpaying bozo “the right” to access that which the paying members create. Anyone with a SPF can join and have full access to everything as long as they abide by a couple well established rules based upon well founded concerns. SCOF is the best forum for any SPF owner. No competition is out there. Yes, there are other forums that provide a good social outlet. But SCOF is the best organized forum for SPF owners and offers the best and most resources and benefits by far. If someone want to enhance their ownership, all they need to do is join.

I happen to like and respect Blas. But I will also defend the rules of an organization I have a lot of respect for. When someone crosses one of the lines and breaks a promise, I have no fear to call them on it and sign my name.

Perhaps the information shared will be helpful to some. No real harm is done by sharing it except for I happen to KNOW that it is outdated and not applicable to all SPF owners. My issue is NOT about sharing knowledge (perceived or real). My issue was with breaking a trust. It is an INTEGRITY issue. I suppose those who lack integrity won’t be able to “get that” either.

[madmaxx]

Jim Beam is $23.99 at specs I suggest everyone get a bottle and move on!! No harm no foul here, I the prick on this forumn, find your own to be the prick on!!!!!!

[jhv48]

Unf--king believeable!

A guy asks for help diagnosing a (my guess is a faulty wheel bearing) problem with his car (the reason this forum is so valuable) and one of you gets into a pissing match over whether or not one of our posters should or should not have given him potentially life saving info.

Some of you idiots need to get a freakin life! Blas, thank you for all your contributions here, don't stop!

But, that's just my opinion!

[D-CEL]

“Non-paying Bozo”
Gary: Are you a stakeholder in SCOF? The passion you are displaying about payment suggests it.
In Gary’s position and statements lie the critical flaw in the in the SCOF “pay me” mentality. It’s not enthusiasm or interest for them, its business, pure and simple. It is a means to make money from that which we are passionate about. Any and all kernels of knowledge, paid for by the money or sweat by the rank and file, then shared on that site, magically becomes their intellectual property.
Bull Carp
Gary, How could Blas have possibly “hurt “someone, buy suggesting they inspect their brake bolts? And how is that information possibly “outdated”? (sounds like rhetoric designed to confuse and intimidate)
I find it laughable that the principles of SCOF claim ownership of this basic and logically gleaned information once it enters their hallowed drives.
Proving the “Origin” of such information will be near impossible, even if the format of its presentation is identical to content “displayed” (but not owned) on SCOF. I suggest that you contact an IP attorney for clarification before you further defame Blas.
As far as I know, the data, layouts, diagrams and wiring models contained within his documents belong to him and him only. He has never discussed in public or posted in the public domain, his proprietary information.
I find it ironic that you call Blas a “tight wad penny pinching socialists” when in fact he is the definition of capitalism.
And what would you call SCOF?
I call it a misguided, secret hand-shake, for profit only site.

I don’t belong to SCOF because of people like you.

Jason

[D-CEL]

By the way, an “Integrity Issue” can and should be discussed via a private message.

Jason

[JBCOBRA]

We do not care about the personal issues/things discussed.

However, you also know that there ARE personal things discussed on scof that are intended for a specific audience and the author knows who they are and they share what they choose to share. If half the discussions on scof are car related, I would be surprised. The reason the members are as close as they are is because they share an “understanding” and therefore “trust” is there. Without the trust, it would just be another forum….. so why bother.

JBCobra…...With these understandings in mind, rules were set to remove “judgement calls” by members who might tend to blur the lines between what is and is not appropriate to share. No one is to be “quoted” outside of the forum for that reason. Personal non-car related information is to remain private. Tech information can be and is encouraged to be shared as long as no one is quoted or exact copies are not forwarded outside the forum. There are LEGAL reasons for that.

Confidence!?! LOL
That is why I rely on Dennis Olthoff and others with technical issues and help.

Non paying Bozo's? As if I would be willing to spend money to hang out with you???
Get a Life.

Integrity??? What if someone got hurt because you knowingly did not tell the person???

Sounds more like "The Loyal Order of Buffoons"

I know that many don’t “get the confidence” we share but that does not give every nonpaying bozo “the right” to access that which the paying members create. Anyone with a SPF can join and have full access to everything as long as they abide by a couple well established rules based upon well founded concerns. SCOF is the best forum for any SPF owner. No competition is out there. Yes, there are other forums that provide a good social outlet. But SCOF is the best organized forum for SPF owners and offers the best and most resources and benefits by far. If someone want to enhance their ownership, all they need to do is join.

I happen to like and respect Blas. But I will also defend the rules of an organization I have a lot of respect for. When someone crosses one of the lines and breaks a promise, I have no fear to call them on it and sign my name.

Perhaps the information shared will be helpful to some. No real harm is done by sharing it except for I happen to KNOW that it is outdated and not applicable to all SPF owners. My issue is NOT about sharing knowledge (perceived or real). My issue was with breaking a trust. It is an INTEGRITY issue. I suppose those who lack integrity won’t be able to “get that” either.[/quote]

[Silverback51]

Forget SCOF.

Think we can get back to Ward's issue with his car.

[gary osborne]

JHV…WardL’s question was valid and deserved an answer. Yes, that is what CC is all about. The issue has never been and currently is not about someone sharing information about a "life threatening” (choke choke snicker snicker) problem. Nor is it about something that is minor in nature like spark plug gaps or metric conversion tables. It is about breaching a legal agreement and publishing copyrighted material on an open forum. SCOF and its members have likely been the source of more valuable SPF information on CC than any other organization including the dealers and factory. There is NO problem with anyone sharing their knowledge without regard for where they gained it.

Since I am apparently among the idiots (or in this case the only idiot) that need to get a life, let me respond that there are other morons on this site who need to buckle up, learn some sense of responsibility and nurture some integrity. There are right ways and wrong ways of gaining what one wants. The mentality of entitlement in this country makes me want to puke. YOU GUYS who think you deserve whatever others have created are the worst kind of morons and when applied across the board your selfish theories will destroy the greatest of societies whether it is America or Club Cobra.

My comment to Blas had nothing to do with non-scof members or readers of the material. In other words, if you’re not a member of scof, it really isn’t any of your business. Perhaps my original comment to Blas was a tad harsh and for that I apologize for the tone of my comments….not the content or spirit. Blas knows me well enough to know that exaggeration is a style I embrace to make a point. I do it somewhat tongue in cheek most the time but it is meant for impact. He also knows, and has subscribed to, the rules of scof and the reasons they exist. He could have easily shared the information in question without breaking any rules, engaging in illegal activity or offending anyone and could have done so with ease. It is not like the rules are particularly oppressive.

Oddly, every one who has whined about the rules are people the rules do not affect in the slightest. So maybe you whiners who dislike scof in spite of the fact you know nothing about it should get a life or maybe protest the practice of kite flying in Holland. That should be at least as important to you.