Great Asp's Superformance - FE Build

[RodKnock]

[quote=Clois Harlan;872029By the way Eric, Dean Lampe has his Dynatek system being dyno'd and tuned tomorrow in St. Louis, Mo. The Dynotek guys build a beautiful product and Dean claims they are great to work with. I would love to put a Dynotek FI system on my FE 427. Clois[/QUOTE]

Dean was a devoted Weber fan. What happened? Having Dean giving a tacit endorsement to the Dynatek system certainly provides some level of comfort to me if and when I decide to go with FI down the road.

[rokndad]

Eric,

I have also been fascinated by the Dynatek system, and had started a brief dialog with the Dynatek Racing folks, but have not made the plunge yet since they said they are still "tuning" things up for the FE (see Sept 2008 Kitcar Magazine article....thanks Rodknock!!).

As I understand it, their FE intake manifold, eight injectors (four housings), linkage, ECU and wiring is around $6500, plus high pressure fuel pump, return lines, set up on a dyno which are extras.

Please post photos and keep us updated on your build. I think my KC FE may be close to what you're having built so it may be able to use the same set up. BTW, is Keith buying the unit for you? You're going to be happy with KCR.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Great Asp

It will make north of 600 hp and tq, keeping under 6000 rpms

Is that on an optimistic or conservative dyno ?

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Is that on an optimistic or conservative dyno ?

More history that anything else. The standard 482 (if you want to call it a crate motor) crate motor from Keith dynos out at 580 hp and 600ft/lbs.
http://www.keithcraft.com/engines/48...te_Engine.html

In MM&FF the Classic Injection provided 35ft/lbs and like 20 more hp than a Vic Jr intake (the intake was ported) and a 750 Holley on a 408 motor.

My last motor was a 418 with what turned out to be 11:1 compression, making 550 hp and tq. I don't know why this motor can not break 600.

Robert Roschen has a KCR 496 that I am (for the most part) modeling my build from, and his makes 688 hp, and 670 tq. Robert has the dual quad setup with Davinci carbs.

I'll be happy north of 600

E

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by rokndad

Eric,

I have also been fascinated by the Dynatek system, and had started a brief dialog with the Dynatek Racing folks, but have not made the plunge yet since they said they are still "tuning" things up for the FE (see Sept 2008 Kitcar Magazine article....thanks Rodknock!!).

As I understand it, their FE intake manifold, eight injectors (four housings), linkage, ECU and wiring is around $6500, plus high pressure fuel pump, return lines, set up on a dyno which are extras.

Please post photos and keep us updated on your build. I think my KC FE may be close to what you're having built so it may be able to use the same set up. BTW, is Keith buying the unit for you? You're going to be happy with KCR.

Thanks for the kind words!

Yes, Keith is buying the DynaTek system for my engine, and it will be dyno'd at his shop in Hollywood AR (just outside Arkadelphia).

Michael Turner at KCR in Plano is doing the install into the SPF roller, and yes, he is installing a return line, and a gas tank vent. he is using the Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump, and a two stage filter system. Once installed, it will be dyno'd and tuned again.

I like KCR already, Shelly told me I drive "A Man's Truck". Any guy likes to hear that! (It's a 2005 F-250 PS crew cab)

I will post pics as I get them!

E

[rokndad]

10-4 Eric. You will have no problem breaking 600 hp with that build from KCR. Mine dynoed at 640 hp with a DaVinci 950, and from what I read, the Dynatek is capable of flowing a lot more than that. Can't wait to see the eye candy!!!

[gary osborne]

Son...SON....The prodical son has come home.....kill the fatted calf.

Welcome back home and be sure to drop around SCOF as soon as you get your car.

Dad

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by gary osborne

Son...SON....The prodical son has come home.....kill the fatted calf.

Welcome back home and be sure to drop around SCOF as soon as you get your car.

Dad

Don't worry Uncle Fester, I'll be checking in soon.

Tell Mom I miss her!

BTW, if you look in the upper right corner of this sites webpage, you will see it says "welcome gary osborne", you have a new private message!!! I sent it to you like 2 months ago!


Eric

[McD00]

Originally Posted by gary osborne

Son...SON....The prodical son has come home.....kill the fatted calf.

Welcome back home and be sure to drop around SCOF as soon as you get your car.

Dad

Boy I sure miss SCOF since I traded my car for a roof Glad to see your back on track Erick. Looks like a helluva car.... I just drive a vette now...it talks to me and nevr tries to bite me......

McVette

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by McD00

Boy I sure miss SCOF since I traded my car for a roof Glad to see your back on track Erick. Looks like a helluva car.... I just drive a vette now...it talks to me and nevr tries to bite me......

McVette

Thanks!

The guys and Gals in SCOF are great people. I sold a car and lost a bunch of freinds. I have wanted to get back (long story) since the day I sold 1380.

Eric

[McDoo]

Eric,

Beware....This is the real me !!!! Those other guys
are fakes. I hope that you have figured out how to
steer around deer in the road way. Yes, I sold my SPF
and SCOF has never been the same...

The REAL MCDOO CSX931

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by McDoo

Eric,

Beware....This is the real me !!!! Those other guys
are fakes. I hope that you have figured out how to
steer around deer in the road way. Yes, I sold my SPF
and SCOF has never been the same...

The REAL MCDOO CSX931

Good Golly! It's really you!

Who is the other McDoo? (D00)???

Remember, you can go home (SCOF).

Glad to hear from you!

Eric

PS No more deers for me!

[FUNFER2]

I'm so,...... envious !
What a engine.

Can't wait for the build to start and see the end results.

Kev

[TerrysSPF]

Eric- Sounds like it's going to be a hell of an engine. You will have to let us know how it runs once you get behind the wheel.

It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on any differences between your last SPF and the new one. My car is about the same age as your last SPF. I'm curious about the new DANA rear.............and make sure the brakes work in the new car before going too fast!

Can't go wrong with Blue and White stripes, my man!

-Best of luck with the build!

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by TerrysSPF

Eric- Sounds like it's going to be a hell of an engine. You will have to let us know how it runs once you get behind the wheel.

It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on any differences between your last SPF and the new one. My car is about the same age as your last SPF. I'm curious about the new DANA rear.............and make sure the brakes work in the new car before going too fast!

Can't go wrong with Blue and White stripes, my man!

-Best of luck with the build!

Thanks Terry!
Yeah, the 3:46 rear I am not sure how I am going to hook-up. I've been told that 1st is more "useful" but I am guessing a set of 3:73's are in the future.

I am really excited to see how much these DynaTeks's can flow, but top HP or tq is not the goal. +600 hp, and the classic looks with EFI (no hassle), that's my goal.

I will be posting videos, no question.

E

[BossCER]

Originally Posted by blykins

Here's a few little tidbits of information for the readers:

The Scat/Eagle "cast steel" crankshafts are not "cast steel", they are actually nodular iron.

Also, here's a list of manufacturers who are sending their business overseas:

Eaton Valves : China
King Brgs : Israel
Sealed Power : S. Africa
Mahle Pistons : Mexico/China
Manley Rods : Israel
S.I. Valves : China
Eagle/Scat : China
Ferreas Valves :Argentina
Speed Pro : Brazil
Zoom Clutches : China
Delco Parts : Singapore
Keith Black Pistons: Mexico
Callies : Japan
Professional Products: China
Weiand Intakes : Cast in China, machined in US
JE Pistons : cast in Malaysia, machined in US


That's skimming the surface probably...

Very interesting Brent.
I'd love to see the opposing list of parts/MFG's that are not being out sourced over seas or to Mexico. Have you got that one handy?

[BossCER]

Very nice Eric
Best of luck w/ your new ride

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by blykins

Here's a few little tidbits of information for the readers:

The Scat/Eagle "cast steel" crankshafts are not "cast steel", they are actually nodular iron.

This bothered me for a while. Eagle does not make an FE crank in 4340 material, nor does SCAT I'm told. (I got the Eagle information directly from Eagle, however they say their crank is good until 750 hp)

Keith is supplying a 4340 "forged" crank with 4.250 stoke for this build (Eagle does not offer a forged FE crank). I incorrectly thought it was cast steel at 4340 (4340 is what was on my build sheet from Keith).

What caught my attention was your post. You are correct that "cast" is nodular, where forged is steel.

Nice catch blykins!

Eric

[RodKnock]

Eric,

FWIW, my crate engine builder used a Pro Comp SCAT 4340 forged steel crankshaft, so I believe SCAT makes one for an FE.

I'm very interested in the Dynatek FI system, if you could please post updates as soon as you have some, I for one would sincerely appreciate it. Your SPF and engine build look great!.

[Stentor]

Originally Posted by Great Asp

Thanks Terry!
Yeah, the 3:46 rear I am not sure how I am going to hook-up. I've been told that 1st is more "useful" but I am guessing a set of 3:73's are in the future.

I am really excited to see how much these DynaTeks's can flow, but top HP or tq is not the goal. +600 hp, and the classic looks with EFI (no hassle), that's my goal.

I will be posting videos, no question.

E

Not sure you're going to want a 3.73 rearend with that engine and the TKO 600 (unless you are going to be pulling stumps).

You might want to try the 3.46 gear first.