Mustang Question

[todd]

A friend of mine has a 64 1/2 (I think ) mustang pace car. From what I understand they are fairly rare. He is trying to sell it but I was wondering if any of you guys have any info on these pace cars. He has a few articles and researced his VIN number. From what I understand, they were never sold, they were given away by dealerships. Is that right? I know some of you are true car people and might be able to shed some light on this for me.


Thanks
Todd

[computerworks]

Todd...
If he really has a Pace car... it is a rare bird... there were/are a lot of replicas, though...

...Three 64 1/2 convertibles were built with the sole purpose of pacing the 1964 Indianapolis 500. These three cars were sent directly from the factory to Holman & Moody in North Carolina to be specially modified for pace car duties. These modifications included extensive work to the 289 cid engines, the installation of a Borg-Warner 4-speed transmission, and lowered suspensison with differently valved shocks on each side of the car to accomodate the banked turns of the Indianapolis Speedway, and high-speed rated tires. The cars were all painted Wimbledon White. On race day only 2 of these cars actually made the parade lap, as the third ran into mechanical difficulties. The fate of these three specially built convertibles is unknown, but there have been rumours that one of these cars is now in the hands of an MCA judge. However, at this point the Registry has not been able to confirm that this car is actually one of the original 3 pace cars.

Stangnet has a

Pace Car Registry site.

[mustangmendez]

Good Job Computerworks I knew that , Yeah, a good lesson learned .
Big T

[todd]

It is not a convertible, but I believe the VIN is one of the replica pace cars. It has "pace car" acid etched under the hood latch area. I will try to get the VIN and maybe one of you guys can tell me if it is a pace car. I don't know what he wants for it, he said "go do some research and come back to me". I don't know if that means it is worth alot or what. This guy has several mustangs and falcons so he has been in the mustang business for awhile. He is selling this one and a red 60's convertible.

The pace car even has the tag on the air conditioning controls that tell how to operate it. very clean.

Thanks for your help

Todd

[KobraKarl]

OK now Todd.......without lifting your foot off the throttle, gently ease the toe of your right foot over on to the brake ....now , blip the throttle and down shift one gear ......;D

[Excaliber]

....hardtop? Sure looks like a convertible is the pace car in the picture.......

Ernie

[mrmustang]

OK, I'll jump in on this one to dispell any notions of what is, and what is not a Pace Car Mustang...First off, there were 35 convertibles, and 190 coupes. Coupes (not the convertibles) were rewarded to the dealers who exceeded their sales goals (known as the Checkered Flag promotion) the most in a 9 month period. These select dealers took delivery of their coupes at the Indy 500 that year. Ther dealers then either kept them on their showroom floor (I know of one dealer who still has his), or sold them off for a price sum (hey, getting full sticker back then was considered a rip off). You get me the full VIN, and the door data plate information (must have the door dataplate information to verify its authenticity), and I'll let you know what you have on your hands.........


Yours in Preserving Fords,

Bill S.

Originally posted by todd


A friend of mine has a 64 1/2 (I think ) mustang pace car. From what I understand they are fairly rare. He is trying to sell it but I was wondering if any of you guys have any info on these pace cars. He has a few articles and researced his VIN number. From what I understand, they were never sold, they were given away by dealerships. Is that right? I know some of you are true car people and might be able to shed some light on this for me.


Thanks
Todd

[mustangmendez]

I was to belive the 289 didnt come out till 1965 and the 260 in 64 1/2 as well .
Big T

[Chaplin]

I was to belive the 289 didnt come out till 1965 and the 260 in 64 1/2 as well

I believe you are correct. As far as I know, all 64 1/2s had the 260. Interestingly though, my dad has an original unmolested 64 1/2 convertible and it has a 260 in it, but the fender badges say 289. Go figure

[mustangmendez]

Most 260 V8s also had Generators 289 had an Alternator .
Chaplin thats strang that combo should be worth more $$$$s
Right ?
Big T

[fordnut]

Todd,

go the vintage mustang owners association web site

www.vmoa.org

[mrmustang]

Unfortunately an old wife type of tail, as the earliest Mustang produced with a 289 engine was built on the first full day of production....5F07D100192...Read this as the 191st Mustang off the assembly line for the start of all Mustang production in April 1964. The only way to tell a true 1964.5 Mustang, at a glance , would be the generator instead of the altenator.......Sorry to burst your bubble.....



Yours In Fords,

Bill S.

Originally posted by mustangmendez


I was to belive the 289 didnt come out till 1965 and the 260 in 64 1/2 as well .
Big T

[todd]

Ok Bill I got the VIN number for you it is as follows


VIN 5F07F116497

BODY COLOR TRIM DATE DSO(?) AXLE TRAN
65A C 42 020 64 1 6


Tell me what you think about the VIN. I appreciate the the help Bill.

[mrmustang]

5=1965
F=Dearborn Assembly Plant
07=2 door hardtop
F=260 2V
116497=16,496th car off the assembly line

Body 65A=2 Door standard Interior
Color C=(does equal Pace Car white)
Trim 42=White vinyl with Blue appointments
Date 020=should read 20"D" , a scheduled build date of April 20th, 1964
DSO 64= New Orleans sales district
Axle 1=3:00:1 gear set
Trans 6=C4 automatic


It does indeed loomk like you have a Pace Car hardtop on your hands.

As for value, that will depend on it's originality, rust, interior condition, exterior condition, originality and condition of the drivetrain and everything else about the car. Mileage will play a minor factor in the value equation, however, the originality of the car, coupled with any and all documentation on it will be the deciding factor as to what it can, and will sell for in the current collector marketplace.............


Hope you find this helpful.

Yours In Fords,

Bill S.

Originally posted by todd


Ok Bill I got the VIN number for you it is as follows


VIN 5F07F116497

BODY COLOR TRIM DATE DSO(?) AXLE TRAN
65A C 42 020 64 1 6


Tell me what you think about the VIN. I appreciate the the help Bill.

[Excaliber]

So THREE convetible "real" pace cars were built, current status unknown.

Then it looks like a certain number of "for sale to the public" pace cars (all hardtops?) were made after that.

How many hardtop "public" pace cars? ANY "public" convertible pace cars?

ID'ing a 64.5 based on the generator alone could be mis-leading. It was pretty common for people to remove the generator and switch over to an alternator which was MUCH more efficient.

Ernie

[todd]

The car is in excellent condition, interior is excellent has the funny pace car stickers etc etc.

He is trying to sell it but I have a feeling this is a little more than I want to pay. He apparnetly has all sorts of documentation, although I have not seen it yet. I wrote the VIN number and door plate info down.

I am going to get a few Digital pictures this weekend and post.

From what I take the pace car replicas are pretty rare and price is dependant on condition. This one is in great condition so I am assuming price is out if my reach. Oh well still have the Cobra.


Todd

[Turbo II]

A very interesting thread! Looking forward to the pictures, (I enjoy Mustang and Shelby trivia/history)

Francis

[Also Todd]

here is a pic

[Also Todd]

having problems stand by

[Thomas Gayer]

the easy way to determine if it is 64 1/2 is remove the gas cap. if it has a ring attached or provision for such it is a 65.
tom