jdean status as of Sat 4pm

[FST FOX]

Originally Posted by Gregg(What's his name)?

Lets John Tell his story if he wishes. Right now I only want his full recovery and the fact that people are wanting to know about the accident instead of John's health, bothers the sh!t out of me. In Texas it is about the people and not the Cars. John we wish you nothing but a speedy and full recovery.

Gregg H

Very well said, let the man recover and at least get through surgery, I know there is interest in seeing the car and hearing the story but it's not our car or story to tell. Only one who knows all the facts is laying in a hospital bed right now.

[jshel1]

Just returned from seeing John and Elaine at the hospital. They both are in great spirits and John made mention that he feels ready to go home.

He has lots of friends, relatives, and neighbors constantly rolling through. We were greeted by Elaine, John's brother and wife, as well as Parkerpower - Richard, Wanda, and Nathan.

He has been settled into a private room with a wonderful view of the helipad

[WildThing]

I was intrigued by the original post by SSSammy

Originally Posted by SSSammy

As a result of a rollover accident subsequent to the completion of the 4th of July Parade

The vernacular presentation suggested to me that the rollover occured prior to the end of the parade. Alas, during the parade, but before the completion of the parade.

So I was interested in knowing how a roll over could occur in a slow paced parade.

There is nothing wrong with proliferating knowledge about an accident. The goverment has numerous agencies to investigate accidents. The main purpose of these investigations is to gain knowledge to prevent future accidents.

If this accident occured on a public road then we do have a right to inquire as to what occured. Unlike what 392cobra said:

Originally Posted by 392cobra

No one on this site has a right to know anything at all about the accident.

I do not think that anyone on this board has anything but best wishes and heart felt prayers for jdean.

[jayscobras]

If you have such an interest in public events then may I suggest that you try to obtain the accident report.

What part of it did not occur during the parade don't you get.

The incident occured over a mile from the parade after it was over. Why is it so important to you that we chose privacy and the wishes of the family?

I do see that your post count explains why you don't understand and probably justify your curiosity. If John wants the story told he can tell it after he recovers or he can ask me to tell it. I have investigated the accident also and agree with everyone's wishes on what needs or not need to be discussed.

Jay Nordstrom

[Joe Wicked]

Simply put it is not anyones place to speculate or post what they heard happen. John knows what happened, and he is the only one who knows all the facts. Information is helpful yes, but to get it second hand is not reliable. There are specifics lost, even from someone who saw it happen. From the way I read this, John and Elaine have ASKED the members who were there to not post about the accident. I for one would also choose to respect their wishes. If you really want to know about it, then I suggest sending a message to John and let him reply. I can tell you from the little I know about this local group here, that no matter how many times you ask or how you justify it, the wishes will be followed first and foremost. In other words, the accident information will not come from anyone here. Please respect this and wait for John to post about it, or contact John yourselves.

Thank you,

PS, I was not there, I have not heard anything other than what I have read here. My first thought to Sam's post was 'What happened? How did it happen?' By reading that John asked it to be left alone, I have not asked anyone local as to what happened. Just simple respect for someone.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by WildThing

So I was interested in knowing how a roll over could occur in a slow paced parade.

These cars are twitchy, and while you can't flip them going real slow, you can easily flip them on flat curves. This video is a perfect example:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/vi...flip/402707078
I remember when John got this particular car, and both Excalibur and I had concerns over its "pedigree." That's why I asked about possible mechanical failure.

[Excaliber]

Let me check.... Yup, public forum, report of an accident, can of worms 'open', now scrambling to put them back, to late, it's 'out there'! You might consider IM's and e-mails next time you guys report a Cobra accident and can't follow through with BASIC information, and then insult anyone who dares to ask.

Good wishes for the family/driver/passenger are in order and well spoken. Now that we got that out of the way, what happened?

[jshel1]

Originally Posted by WildThing

The vernacular presentation suggested to me that the rollover occured prior to the end of the parade. Alas, during the parade, but before the completion of the parade.

Some confusion seems to be centered around the vernacular presentation of "subsequent."


subsequent
–adjective
1. occurring or coming later or after (often fol. by to): subsequent events; Example: Subsequent to their arrival in Chicago, they bought a new car.
2. following in order or succession; Example: a subsequent section in a treaty.
[Origin: 1425–75; late ME < L subsequent- (s. of subsequéns), prp. of subsequī to follow close behind, equiv. to sub- sub- + sequ(ī) to follow + -ent- -ent]



P.S. Well said Mr. Wicked.

[jayscobras]

I recall that this post is under the TCC area of Club Cobra. We didn't report an accident but the condidtion of one of our own. No can of worms just OUR business and our respect for our own.

We could have posted, WE KNOW A SECRET AND IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS, but we didn't.

Jay

[Excaliber]

Uh, thats EXACTLY what was posted, 'we know a secret and it's none of your dam business'.

[jayscobras]

Now you are gettin it

Jay

[TXWOOD]

Prayers are out for John and his family for a speedy recovery. Best to ALL

[GlynMeek]

...and also some confusion about the use of the word "vernacular"

a: using a language or dialect native to a region or country rather than a literary, cultured, or foreign language b: of, relating to, or being a nonstandard language or dialect of a place, region, or country c: of, relating to, or being the normal spoken form of a language

sorry Wildthing, NOTHING 'vernacular' at all in the statement

As a result of a rollover accident subsequent to the completion of the 4th of July Parade

LOL

Glyn

[clayfoushee]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Let me check.... Yup, public forum, report of an accident, can of worms 'open', now scrambling to put them back, to late, it's 'out there'! You might consider IM's and e-mails next time you guys report a Cobra accident and can't follow through with BASIC information, and then insult anyone who dares to ask.

Good wishes for the family/driver/passenger are in order and well spoken. Now that we got that out of the way, what happened?

I couldn't disagree more with you, Ernie. The wishes of the family are far more important than the wishes of internet voyeurs.

Give me a break, you and virtually all here, know about the unforgiving nature of these cars. You have no need to know anything about the gory details while the unfortunate victim is still in the hospital.

If Mr. Dean chooses to share the details later, then maybe some will learn something. If he doesn't, then the details would just be heresay, and no one would know anything, now would they?

In the meantime, as Jay said, you can order the accident report as you demand it is in the public domain. I get tired of hearing the "I told you so" experts every time one of these gets reported, and I can totally understand the respect his friends have shown him in letting him tell the story LATER, and after his recovery, if he so chooses.

[Excaliber]

Jay has all ready posted the BASIC details on another web site, it's just Club Cobra that is being snubbed in that regard.

The first post that started this thread said something about an accident and a parade. The question logically followed, during or after the parade? The question should have been answered and accompanied by a reasonably polite request to await further information in regards to the family. Instead the question was stone walled, insults were hurled and now 'family honor' is at stake. Gimme a break! You take a mole hill and turn it into a Texas sized mountain and then go all patriotic about it.

You know, sometimes the best way to 'cover up the details' and 'honor family' in a politically sensitive case, such as this, is to be forth coming with at least fundamental information. Stone walling and insults will only add to the stress OF the family! Think about it...

For fellow Club Cobra members:
The accident was AFTER the parade, about a mile away. From that I take it no parade spectators were injured and the accident was limited to a few persons only. Whew, thats a relief.

[G_Edmonds]

As is the case in many areas these days, a lot of people cannot make the distinction between what they want and what they need. What some seem to want are lurid details. What they need is nothing in regards to this incident unless they were involved.
Take care John and Elaine.

-Greg

[Excaliber]

I do hope when jdean is feeling better he will share the 'lurid' and 'gory' details, as some have irresponsibly put it, about how the accident happened. Specifically, details about how the accident developed.

I ride a motorcycle everyday, have for years. When I hear of a motorcycle accident I want ALL the details of what happened to cause it. I try to put myself in that riders boots, make that experience my own. I've taught my son to do the same, LEARN from other people, make THEIR experience a part of you. New's reports rarely cover details of how an accident developed, instead focusing on injury, damage, etc. The 'gory' details if you would, but thats not important.

As an owner of a high powered car, I feel the same way as I do about my motorcycle. I think most high powered car owners feel that way too. So in good time, yes, I want the details! But I am also sensitive to the familys needs, not just now, but down the road in time. It may be to embarrasing or to horrific to recall, detail or talk about in a public forum. Thats OK, I understand. As a high performance car owner I don't assume ANYONE here is asking for 'shock value' headlines or gory details. Casting blame? Well that is problematic, I'll grant you it can be a tough when you start to reconstruct an accident. It is common to not want to talk about it, any accident and thats to bad, because it just might save someones life.

Many, if not most, of us, have 'spun out' in some manner, I have several times. Had some close calls, got lucky, LEARNED from it.

Get well soon John.

[Clois Harlan]

How do things become so complicated? Good Luck today John.

Clois

[RalphSchmalph]

I agree with the tone and thrust of Excaliber's position on this matter. It's not fair to call CC members ghoulish simply because we share a common love for these cars and are concerned if we might also be at risk due to mechanical issues or other avoidable though unusual situations that may have contributed to the accident. I also understand that there may be legal issues involved (civil, criminal or both) in the accident and in that case it wouldn't be right to discuss the details while it's under investigation. Our motives should not be questioned in this forum. We are all hoping for a speedy recovery and wish peace and comfort to the family. Hopefully the facts will all come out one day for the benefit of those of us who take some measure of risk every time we fire up one of these beasts.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Clois Harlan

How do things become so complicated?

Indeed.

Enough of the side trips.

Please keep this thread solely for the purpose of well-wishes to jdean and (as per the topic) updates on his status.

thanks
ron
ClubCobra Moderator