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02-12-2010, 02:58 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Waukesha,
WI
Cobra Make, Engine: Custom built Excalibur 351C
Posts: 530
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Toploader 4spd For Sale
I've got this toploader and no future plans to use it.
Not sure what it's worth
the # on the tag:
HEHG
011129
Last edited by ohekk; 02-25-2010 at 09:04 PM..
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02-12-2010, 04:25 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Avon,
NY
Cobra Make, Engine: 1969 Mustang Fastback Pro-Street, constantly changing ongoing project!
Posts: 746
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I believe that is the early 1964 toploader for a 260/289 with 25 spline. It's the weakling of Toploaders. No offense, but unless you are doing a concours correct restoration, it's about worthless.
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02-19-2010, 07:32 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Jacksonville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Just a collection of parts right now...
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Why is it about worthless? As I recall, the issue is the mainshaft has a spline count that is a bastard and that would strip if you beat on it. Wouldn't a mainshaft swap make it as durable and viable as any other small block toploader? Mainshafts seem pretty cheap and since most folks would go through the tranny anyway before use, it would be simple to replace.
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02-24-2010, 03:22 PM
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Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: cleveland,
OH
Cobra Make, Engine: CSX4000, 427
Posts: 1,999
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spl310
Why is it about worthless? As I recall, the issue is the mainshaft has a spline count that is a bastard and that would strip if you beat on it. Wouldn't a mainshaft swap make it as durable and viable as any other small block toploader? Mainshafts seem pretty cheap and since most folks would go through the tranny anyway before use, it would be simple to replace.
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The early narrow main case is not as desireable as the later, wider bolt pattern
I would say price a mainshaft. You should replace 2nd and 3rd as well, so price those. Price a rebuild kit. If the sychronizer teeth on the input shaft are worn, price one of those. You may have to machine the tailhousing for the 28 spline, so price that if you need to.
Compare this cost to a cost of a rebuilt one from david kee or toploader heaven, and decide if its worth it to buy this tranny for $1000 plus the costs to rebuild it.
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02-25-2010, 09:02 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Waukesha,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Custom built Excalibur 351C
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Thanks for the advice!
Looks like I'll throw this back in the corner of the garage and trip over it for another 10 years til the price of scrap goes up.
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02-25-2010, 09:48 PM
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Mission Viejo,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, 427 side oiler
Posts: 225
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Looks like the top loader that originally came in the Sunbeam Tiger behind the 260 V8. I believe your case no. is the trans original to a 64 mustang with 260 V8. I might be worth something to the right restorer.
See this link:
http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/idchart1.htm |
02-27-2010, 11:58 AM
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Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: cleveland,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX4000, 427
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ohekk
Looks like I'll throw this back in the corner of the garage and trip over it for another 10 years til the price of scrap goes up.
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Unfortunately, with the introduction of the tremec's, I think the desireablity of toploaders have decreased, so your tranny would be worth the most to somebody restoring a mustang, like what was said before. I think the big spline mustang toploaders are worth the most.
I think David kee told me that he used to buy "good" toploader cores for about $250-400, but then prices went up, so he came out with his own main and tailshaft cases. That was years ago. Do a search on ebay to see what people are paying for them.
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02-27-2010, 12:31 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Avon,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 1969 Mustang Fastback Pro-Street, constantly changing ongoing project!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony
The early narrow main case is not as desireable as the later, wider bolt pattern
I would say price a mainshaft. You should replace 2nd and 3rd as well, so price those. Price a rebuild kit. If the sychronizer teeth on the input shaft are worn, price one of those. You may have to machine the tailhousing for the 28 spline, so price that if you need to.
Compare this cost to a cost of a rebuilt one from david kee or toploader heaven, and decide if its worth it to buy this tranny for $1000 plus the costs to rebuild it.
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Spot on Anthony. I routinely find 28 spline toploaders for $300-$500. So in my opinion, the only person who would want this one is the one doing a 100%correct restoration.
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