bellhousing

[Cobraholic]

Any suggestions on blowproof bellhousings that will bolt up to a TKO II. Will the bottom of the lip hang down to low where it might rub the gound in some instances?

[dbaker08723]

Give the tech desk at Lakewood scattershields a call..(At the mister gasket website) they were very helpfull.. do not buy anything from their website though!!! they wanted $530 for the same scattershield I got at Summit racing's site for $328.
good luck

[Cobraholic]

thanks for the info

[mdross1]

Originally Posted by Cobraholic

Any suggestions on blowproof bellhousings that will bolt up to a TKO II. Will the bottom of the lip hang down to low where it might rub the gound in some instances?

The lip should be cut off before you put it in the car.Mine had scratched the asphalt one too many times,you will gain over an inch of clearance.

[blykins]

I sell Lakewood and Quicktime bellhousings both.

The non-SFI Quicktime bells do not have the lip and are excellent for Cobras.

Contact me for info and pricing:

brent@b2motorsportsllc.com

[RodgerH]

You definitely want to dial-in the bellhousing, regardless of the manufacturer.

http://www.lakewoodindustries.com/pd...USINGALIGN.pdf

Some people believe that some bellhousings (Quicktime is often mentioned) are machined so accurately that you can skip this rather tedious process. Don't believe it! Even if the dowel holes in the bellhousing are perfectly located (which is doubtful), how can you be sure the dowel pin locations on the block are equally as perfect?

Remember....0.005" runout is all that is allowed...and that ain't much!

Rodger

[Cobraholic]

ok..thanks for all the info!

[RICK LAKE]

Cobraholic What tires are you looking to run, what size are they? Alot also depends on the roads in your area.
I have run Lakewoods for the last 30+ years on my cars, trucks, race cars and Jeeps. Never had a failure. Have blown a few clutches in my time. At this time I am running a lakewood on my Shelby motor. When you buy them they are not centered on the motor. If the motor is outside the car. you can adjust them and center them in 1/2 hour in the car, 2.5 hours. Weight of this bell housing about 45 pounds. You will have to check, but Cutting or modifing of the bell housing VOIDS warranty. The odds of you blowing a flywheel are very slim. If you are running an Aluminum one, most are SFI certiflied, stamped and tested. Steel ones are a different story. IF you limit them to 6,500 rpms, I have not heard of a failure in many years. Hard Abuse is a different story. I have 3.5 " of clearance under my ERA from bottom of bellhousing to ground. I have hit a mancover once, it bent the lip of the bell housing. No damage done to rest of car. I am building another motor for my car and this one is getting a Quicktime bell housing.
Last year there was an issue with them and how there advertisement was done about passed test for certified but not stamped. The price for the company to do a test for each bellhousing was about 20K to be approved. Quicktime didn't have the money to have each beelhousing tested. Over the last year, they have gotten all the SB and BB ford bellhousing tested and stamped SFI certified. Guys that have Quicktimes have said they bolt up to the block perfect. They are also about 20 pounds lighter than a lakewood with the same protection. The Quicktime is tighter to the flywheel and gives more room to work on the car under it. I don't know the price on them but weight savings if worth something with the safety been equal. The bottom of the Quicktime is squared off for a higher ground clearance. If you talk to Brent Blykins, he gives about the best prices you can find. Rick L.

[Ralphy]

Ever seen this? Opinions needed. Kevlar?

http://www.sofastracing.com/kevlar.htm

[bobcowan]

The kevlar blanket comes highly recommended by a lot of racers. It's one of my planned upgrades this winter. for normal street driving, this is the way to go If you just want a safer clutch.

For racing, that's another story. For a track only car, the steel SFI approved bell housings will work. The consensus seems to be that Quicktime is a better product, and fits better out of the box.

Using one of those is a problem on the street, because they hang down so low. So you trim them off at the bottom. And sometimes they have to be trimmed on the starter side to fit in the frame rails. But now they don't qualify for SFI rating.

Gordon Levy sells a small clutch and bellhousing set up. I'v seen it, and was amazed at how small it is. The clutch is said to be light, with a good feel, and very strong. Saves a lot of space and weight. Not cheap, though. But then, racing never is.

[Ralphy]

Do you know who makes it?

Just called the #. Seems they went under.

[bobcowan]

I believe they're made by RCI. I know Gordon carries them.

[CCX 33239]

Cobraholic,
Whatever bellhousing you decide on (Lakewood, Quicktime or whatever) take the 30 minutes to dial it in. In my experience your odds are better than 50/50 that the runout will exceed .005" (.008-.012" isn't uncommon). It's not "a tedious task" as someone has suggested. Be sure to divide the indicated runout by 2. Offset dowels come in .007, .014 and .021 std. offsets. I would recommend the Lakewood adjustable dowels w/ a locking center bolt. They are very easy to adjust: (flats on the sides for a 9/16 wrench) and about .004" undersized for easier rotation before locking down.

It might save you a pilot brg, pecker shaft brg, syncros, clutch chatter and wear,etc.

[ratsnst1]

Originally Posted by blykins

I sell Lakewood and Quicktime bellhousings both.

The non-SFI Quicktime bells do not have the lip and are excellent for Cobras.

Contact me for info and pricing:

brent@b2motorsportsllc.com

I have a lakewood scattersheild in my car, how much more clearence do you gain when you go with a quiketime bellhousing, and how much for one, thanks.

[blykins]

Robert, I responded to your email yesterday from my work address: brent@b2motorsportsllc.com

If you didn't get it, maybe it went to spam?

Here's my email...

The Quicktimes are considerably smaller and are literally half the weight
of a Lakewood. If you are running undercar style headers, you will gain
room as the bellhousings are a little smaller in overall size as well.

For most bellhousings, they offer an SFI and a non-SFI version. Even the
non-SFI versions will still withstand a clutch explosion and HAVE passed
SFI 6.1 testing. This means that they will contain a shattering flywheel
at 10000 rpm.

The difference between the SFI and the non-SFI versions is that the SFI
version has the bolts around the bottom perimeter of the bellhousing,
which bolts the block plate to the bell. This is required before the SFI
board will let Quicktime put an SFI 6.1 decal on it. However, that flange
is a detriment to most Cobra owners as it cuts down needed ground
clearance.

Having said that, if you switch to a Quicktime, you'll lose about 22 lbs
of weight, gain more room in the trans tunnel, and you'll gain
approximately another inch of ground clearance.

They come with all necessary hardware, including whatever pivot you'll
need for your setup.

Let me know what Chevy transmission you're running and I can get you a price.
If you're in the lower 48 states, I can offer you free shipping as well.

[ratsnst1]

Brent, I will get a hold of you when Im ready to do it, I am running a tremec 600 transmission.

[blykins]

Robert, that bellhousing for a BBC/TKO600 is $381 including shipping to your door. Let me know if I can be of any more help.

[Caprimaniac]

Originally Posted by blykins

Having said that, if you switch to a Quicktime, you'll lose about 22 lbs
of weight, gain more room in the trans tunnel, and you'll gain
approximately another inch of ground clearance.

Hello, Brent.

Are you saying that the Quicktime is the lightest of the SFI- approved bellhousings? And that also the SFI- approved one will give more ground clearance, compared to other SFI- approved types (for instance, Lakewood)?

I'll need to upgrade to an SFI bellhousing to compete in the Super Street drag.

One thing a little to the side. If I'm not mistaken, the rule book also mentions SFI approved CLUTCHES.... After looking, I have found very little information on this. does anyone know?

Let's talke later.

[RICK LAKE]

caprimanic The top of the line clutches are all SFI certified. Almost any race clutch has both stickers on them. YOu have to remember that these parts are designed to break first to save the motor and drive train. Ram, McLeod, Quartermaster, Zoom, and others have certified assemblies.
As far as the bell housing, call who ever runs your races and events and see what they say about this. It's their call. They may say it's OK. The only question "I" have is what size flywheel, clutch assembly, weight of complete assembly and MAX rpms are you turning?? The savings of 22 lbs may not be worth your legs. I DON'T want to startup this thread again, this is IMO ONLY.
To me safety is first period, no unneeded risks with this. Rick L. Ps I am also looking to go with a SFI stamped bell from QT this year. It's easier to loss 22 pounds in the car than me.

[blykins]

Originally Posted by Caprimaniac

Hello, Brent.

Are you saying that the Quicktime is the lightest of the SFI- approved bellhousings? And that also the SFI- approved one will give more ground clearance, compared to other SFI- approved types (for instance, Lakewood)?

I'll need to upgrade to an SFI bellhousing to compete in the Super Street drag.

One thing a little to the side. If I'm not mistaken, the rule book also mentions SFI approved CLUTCHES.... After looking, I have found very little information on this. does anyone know?

Let's talke later.

If you use an SFI 6.1 Quicktime bellhousing, it will be smaller and about half the weight of a Lakewood. You should gain just a little more ground clearance with it.

The difference in the size comes mainly from the fact that the SBF Lakewood will accept a 164T flywheel (for 11" clutches) and the Quicktime only accepts a 157T (and smaller) flywheel.

As for the clutches, as Rick pointed out, most of them are SFI approved. I can make a recommendation for both the flywheel and clutch when you're ready to go that route.

BTW, the difference that you quoted above in ground clearance, is the difference between an SFI version and the non-SFI version. The non-SFI version does not have the bolts/flange around the bottom perimeter of the bellhousing, so you can clearance from losing that flange.