SUPPORT OUR SPONSOR

Go Back   Club Cobra > Club Cobra Tech Areas > Transmission Talk

Welcome to Club Cobra!  The World's largest non biased Shelby Cobra related site!

  •  » Representation from nearly all Cobra/Daytona/GT40 manufacturers
  •  » Help from all over the world for your questions
  •  » Build logs for you and all members
  •  » Blogs
  •  » Image Gallery
  •  » Many thousands of members and nearly 1 million posts! 

YES! I want to register an account for free right now!  p.s.: For registered members this ad will NOT show

Keith Craft Racing
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
December 2024
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31        

Kirkham Motorsports

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-09-2005, 05:02 PM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
Not Ranked     
Question VICKS! For Top Loader "pre-assembly grease"?

Kind of an off the wall question as I suspect not many members have rebuilt their own transmissions, or have they?

I've heard that using just any old grease to hold the needle bearings in place during reassembly is not a good idea. Rumor has it that some grease may block the oil holes and not let the trans oil in there, thus damaging those little roller bearings.

So,,, how about VICKS Vapor rub? Or, but not as much fun, petroleum jelly?

What DO you guys use?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 02-09-2005, 05:41 PM
G.R.'s Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Evans, CO
Cobra Make, Engine: NAF 289 FIA, 347 stroker with Weber 48's, building a '48 Anglia gasser, driving a '55 Chevy resto-rod
Posts: 3,119
Send a message via Yahoo to G.R.
Not Ranked     
Talking

Does it have a cough?


Sorry Ern, just couldn't pass it up




So you getting the ERA back together? Engine and trans?now Thought it was just the engine?
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 02-09-2005, 06:06 PM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
Not Ranked     
Default

A cough? Good one.

I got bored waiting for my engine parts, so decided to take apart the trans and check things out. Good idea, turns out I was missing a critical shift rod "inter lock" pin. With out it, you can shift into two gears at once, which WOULD occasionally happen (I thought it was the linkage).

George says the engine parts should ship this week! Block and crank are ready and waiting for the new "slugs".
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 02-09-2005, 07:45 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Louisville, KY
Cobra Make, Engine: I'm Cobra-less!
Posts: 9,417
Send a message via AIM to blykins
Not Ranked     
Default

I built my own Toploader.....I used grease....but not liberal amounts. It didn't take much to hold the bearings in there.
__________________
Lykins Motorsports, LLC
Custom SBF/Cleveland/FE/385 Series Engines
Street, Road Race, Drag Race, Pulling Truck
www.lykinsmotorsports.com
www.customfordcams.com
brent@lykinsmotorsports.com
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 02-09-2005, 09:35 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Flower Mound, TX, tx
Cobra Make, Engine: Lonestar LS 427, Keith Craft 501,Toploader
Posts: 883
Not Ranked     
Default

The instructions say any grease is OK. It's melts down with the gear oil and you change all in 500 miles.
Tim
__________________
" It ain't no big deal"
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 02-18-2005, 11:19 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Indianapolis, Indiana, U.S.A., IN
Cobra Make, Engine: Home built, supercharged 544cu/in automatic
Posts: 924
Not Ranked     
Default

Slick - I would use white lithium bearing grease. STP works well too. Tims got it right though. As a side comment, I've fired engines for the first time in the past that didn't have oil pressure, on nothing but lithium grease on the bearings and cam. That stuffs amazing in that situation, in that it affords enough protection to buy time to make things right.
Are you glueing together a new engine too? Sounds like you are still sold on the merrits of FE's .
cobrashock
__________________
Ron Shockley
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 02-18-2005, 01:42 PM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
Not Ranked     
Default

I was going to use some "red grease" I had laying around, wheel bearing grease I thnk. To thick and potentially to high temp to "melt" before the oil could get in there.

Anyway, I wound up using Vaseline!!! I put the the two gears with the needle bearings and the vaseline in the refrigerator! That thickened up the Vaseline quite nicely and everything worked out fine. I KNOW that Vaseline will melt out of there in a hurry!

Yeah, I'm thinking that white grease would have worked well and might get some to use on the crank bearings etc for the motor. Gessford is sending some special "cam lube" for the valve train components.

Pre-lubing the motor with a "drill" before first fire.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2005, 07:25 PM
zipzip's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Rockton, IL
Cobra Make, Engine: Midstates work in progress, personally built 302
Posts: 328
Not Ranked     
Default

We use "Trans Prep" at work (the company I work at makes industrial gearboxes).

It's made by Life Automotive Products Inc, Memphis, TN. It's about the consistency of grease but WILL thouroughly dissolve at temperature. Good idea with the Vaseline though...

BTW: you can also mix the trans prep with oil to make it thinner for putting on seals, etc. as a pre-lube.
__________________
You might be a redneck if you think the National Anthem ends with "...Gentlemen, start your engines."
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 02-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
Not Ranked     
Default

Thanks zipzip, I figured there must be SOME kind of special lube out there for such things. I was surprised there was no mention made of any such thing on the few top loader sites I visited.
Including David Kee's, where I did get some of the parts.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 12:36 PM
Turk's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Bay Area, FL
Cobra Make, Engine: What Cobra?
Posts: 7,193
Send a message via Yahoo to Turk
Not Ranked     
Default

Try some of this..
Attached Images
 
__________________
OBAMA IN in 2012
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 02:45 PM
jschiller's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Cape Coral, FL
Cobra Make, Engine: Past owner ERA 146, ERA 694 in progress, 428 CJ, toploader
Posts: 251
Not Ranked     
Default

Ernie--

Follow Turk's suggestion.

Let us know how it works.

You might try some on the needle bearings, too. HeHe

John
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 03:49 PM
Bruce Edwards's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Winter Park, Fl
Cobra Make, Engine: Hunter with a 4.6 supercharged
Posts: 690
Not Ranked     
Default

How about you try White Lube assembly grease for transmissions?? It is the CORRECT stuff to use for trans assembly and can be bought at most local parts stores. Comes in a white tube and is not expensive.
Not a big fan of wheel bearing grease as it will not break down in the newer trans that take a 10w/AT fluid.
Just a thought from a builder in Fla.
__________________
Bruce Edwards
Gemini Motorcars Inc.
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-GeminiMotorcars
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 04:42 PM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
Not Ranked     
Default

I didn't have any white grease and probably would have used it. But I DID have Vaseline and a refigerator! Anusol, theres a thought!

...run what you brung method of re-build.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 06:43 PM
trularin's Avatar
Member of the north
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2003
Cobra Make, Engine: A Cobra
Posts: 11,207
Not Ranked     
Default

Ernie, I did my own trans with David Kee's parts and I used grease as it will not work against the lubricant I put in.

Are you using on the counter shaft or the main shaft??

Had to use grease in a few places.
__________________
I'm a writer, feed the artist and buy a book.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 06:48 PM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
Not Ranked     
Default

Counter shaft needle bearings and front input shaft needle bearings. Those were the only places I needed it in my case.

Assembling my motor today, using engine assembly lube George sent with the parts. "Torco MPZ" and "EOS Assembly Lubricant".

What kind of trans oil you guys running?
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 06:53 PM
Bruce Edwards's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Winter Park, Fl
Cobra Make, Engine: Hunter with a 4.6 supercharged
Posts: 690
Not Ranked     
Default

Use engine oil on the cylinder walls,pistons and rings. You want to lube them at start up. Not a good idea to use assembly fluid in this area.
Toploaders are made for SAE 90 and it is a good idea to stick with what it was made for. The toploaders are a bit on the loose side not like the newer trans that are built tighter and can get away with the light weight oils.
Don't forget to get a new head gasket to replace the one you did the mock up with.
__________________
Bruce Edwards
Gemini Motorcars Inc.
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-GeminiMotorcars
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 07:23 PM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Original Shelby Owner


 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Menomonie, Wisconsin,
Posts: 3,505
Not Ranked     
Default

Don't forget the interlock pin when assembling your TL.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 08:07 PM
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 15,712
Not Ranked     
Default

Right on Cal.

I found out thats a fairly common problem, the pin is really small and can easily fall out during assembly.

Yeah engine oil on the cyl walls, etc. Got special cam lube for the lobes and lifters as well. EOS on crank bearings for sure.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 08:20 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Wellington, NA
Cobra Make, Engine: Almac Cobra 427R
Posts: 287
Not Ranked     
Default

I use Castrols synthetic gearbox oil - and have raced the car for years without any problems (or maintenance on the gearbox other than a couple of oil changes).

Called SAFEX I think. (or that could be the diff). But fully synthetic anyway, supposed to be able to cope with higher temperatures.

Gearbox is a SAENZ unit (5 speed race dog box).
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2005, 09:07 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cleveland, OH
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF1670 Stroked Little Windsor - Runs OK.
Posts: 1,244
Send a message via AIM to MidOHasp
Not Ranked     
Default

In keeping with the vaseline theme, I would say KY jelly would be a good choice for Transmission lube.

Perhaps Astroglide?

Dunno...why break precedent?
__________________
J.P.
Ohio Cobra Club
Token Gashole
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy