Clutch problem...

ff2-emtb · #1 (**permalink**) 08-10-2008, 10:34 AM

I'm having an issue. It seems that when I push the clutch pedal in, the clutch is not fully releasing. I spent the better part of 5 hours today tearing the clutch cylinder out, cleaning all that, bench bleeding, reinstalling, and......nothing. The only way I can describe it is the clutch is just right there on the edge of releasing. If I try to force the shifter into gear, the car will start to move, albeit just a little. Kincaid did the original install on this setup, and I have to admit, I'm not well versed in the art of hydraulic clutches. I took these pics to see if maybe one of you guys might have an idea on what to do next.

In this first pic, this is what I see looking up from the driver side, I am wondering what the story is with the offset plate? Also, when I had the wifey push the clutch in while trying to see wtf is going on, I did notice that as the rod from the slave cylinder was pushing the clutch fork back, the cylinder assembly itself would move forward, guessing roughly 1/4". I checked all the bolts that are mounting the cylinder to that mount and all are tight. The other pics are just more or less the same, I just tried to get more detail. And yes, I have tried without success to contact Kincaid to explain this to me. Any help at this point appreciated. If I can't get this fixed myself, I will have to make the haul to Hastings and have George's boys work on it.

t.

Rick Parker · #2 (**permalink**) 08-10-2008, 12:04 PM

If the plate that the slave is mounted on is moving (even 1/4") that cannot be tolerated. It must be absolutly ridgid. That small distance probably IS the difference that is preventing the release. The other principle is the fluid transfer ratio between the Master and the slave. Assuming it worked well at one time, focus on stabilizing the plate that the slave is attached to. There should be more than 1 bolt attaching the mounting plate to the bellhousing (it is difficult to seel in the photos). There should be for structural consideration more than 1 bolt attaching it. The stacked washers might also be creating a pivot point for the plate when the pedal is depressed and the slave actuated, there is a lot of force created by the hydraulics in an effort to overcome the pressure plate release spring.

ff2-emtb · #3 (**permalink**) 08-10-2008, 01:12 PM

lol, there is more than one bolt holding the plate on, just can't see it from that angle. After looking at it , I believe the idea behind the stacked washers was to provide for the fact that if mounted flat on the bellhousing, the cylinder mount tabs hit the frame, and then that does not allow for bolting up. Hard to see in the pics, difficult angle. Going back out here shortly and see if the bolts are loose or what. This is not going to be fun.

ff2-emtb · #4 (**permalink**) 08-10-2008, 03:00 PM

Update: Tightened all bolts surounding the slave cylinder, some were loose, allowing for the flex. That is no longer an issue. Still the clutch refuses to let go and go into gear. I am now more frustrated than I was yesterday. I have no idea what to do now.

kris-kincaid · #5 (**permalink**) 08-10-2008, 04:07 PM

Travis, I just saw this. I don't have your phone number anymore, so I sent an email to your gmail account. Call me and we'll get it figured out.

ratsnst1 · #6 (**permalink**) 08-10-2008, 08:40 PM

your clutch cylinder is losing its pressur, how old is it, replace that and I bet you will be fine.

ff2-emtb · #7 (**permalink**) 08-12-2008, 08:38 PM

After two days of screwing around with various things, I still have this problem. This got me thinking, I'm pretty sure the fluid that I bled out should not look like this:

Tony Radford · #8 (**permalink**) 08-12-2008, 11:32 PM

Is the master or slave aluminum?

ff2-emtb · #9 (**permalink**) 08-13-2008, 04:54 AM

Both are arruminum