California SB100 Emissions Exemption - Sale to Another State

[pedal2metal]

The California SB100 emissions exemption/certification is good for a car in California. But as I understand it, this exemption may pose a problem if you want to sell the car to another state. For example, a Replica 65 Cobra can be built in say 2010 and qualify for the CA exemption...the "Year" of the car is irrelevant..so it can be titled/registered as a 2010 and still claim the exemption. If later the owner wants to sell in CA, no problem, the exemption follows the car in-state. However, if the buyer is in another state, the 2010 model designation on the papers can pose a real problem. That's why those of us in other states try to get an older model year on the title/registration...so we can avoid emissions testing etc as required for newer cars. So CA SB100 can work against an out-of-state buyer because (using the example) the CA car has 2010 papers which upon presentation to the authorities in the other state can wreck your chances to avoid emissions requirements. I'm not sure what the "answer" is in this situation. If someone has experience with this, please share. I'm particularly interested in a SB100 California car being sold into Georgia...but any advice will do!

[tcrist]

I'll be following this thread as I am thinking (very seriously) about selling my replica. It would be great to know this information.

[joyridin']

My car had SB100 and it was no problem at all in Ohio. As a 2001 model, I had to buy Collectors Plates which are emissions exempt.

I can see the issue you might have, but this is more related to the year on the title than if it was SB100.

[jwd]

No problem in Washington state. It would be retitled as a 1965 regardless of what year is on the Ca. title.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by pedal2metal

The California SB100 emissions exemption/certification is good for a car in California. But as I understand it, this exemption may pose a problem if you want to sell the car to another state. For example, a Replica 65 Cobra can be built in say 2010 and qualify for the CA exemption...the "Year" of the car is irrelevant..so it can be titled/registered as a 2010 and still claim the exemption. If later the owner wants to sell in CA, no problem, the exemption follows the car in-state. However, if the buyer is in another state, the 2010 model designation on the papers can pose a real problem. That's why those of us in other states try to get an older model year on the title/registration...so we can avoid emissions testing etc as required for newer cars. So CA SB100 can work against an out-of-state buyer because (using the example) the CA car has 2010 papers which upon presentation to the authorities in the other state can wreck your chances to avoid emissions requirements. I'm not sure what the "answer" is in this situation. If someone has experience with this, please share. I'm particularly interested in a SB100 California car being sold into Georgia...but any advice will do!

Regardless of how it is titled in California, each state has it's own way of dealing with the titles. Georgia is pretty cut and dry (sorry, forget about changing the year on the title)

http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/forms/p...les_Manual.pdf

Pages 99/100 are as follows:

KIT VEHICLE
In order for a Georgia title to be issued for a vehicle built from a kit, the following documents and fees must be submitted to Motor Vehicle at the following address:
ATTN: Salvage Section
DOR/Motor Vehicle
Post Office Box 740384
Atlanta, Georgia 30374-0384.
Upon receipt of all properly executed documents and required fees, a copy of all documents and Form T-22R will be forwarded to the Inspection Section for an inspection of the vehicle. If the vehicle requires a re-inspection by the Motor Vehicle Inspection Section, an additional $100 inspection fee is required for each inspection thereafter. If the Inspection Section determines that the vehicle has been properly rebuilt, they will
authorize the issuance of a certificate of title. A completed tag/title application, Form MV-1 - This application must be completed in detail – typed, electronically completed and printed, or legibly hand printed in blue or black ink in the vehicle owner(s)’ full legal name(s) and signed by the owner(s).
Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO) - The manufacturer's statement of origin
(MSO) or current title must be submitted for the frame of the vehicle. This document
must be issued in the applicant's name (s) or properly assigned to the applicant(s) using
his/her full legal name(s).
Serial Plate - The serial plate from the frame of this vehicle must be submitted.
- 99 -
MOTOR VEHICLE MANUAL CERTIFICATES OF TITLE
Statement of Origin - The statement of origin for the kit properly assigned to the applicant(s) using his/her full legal name must be submitted. If the statement of origin is not available, a surety bond must be submitted.
Labor and Parts Certification (Form T-129) - Form T-129, Labor and Parts Certification, must be completed and submitted by the person who built this vehicle stating he/she performed the labor. This form must be signed by the rebuilder and his/her signature notarized. In addition to signing, the notary public must affix his/her notary seal or stamp and record the date his/her notary commission expires.
Bills of Sale - Bill(s) of sale showing the rebuilder as the purchaser, listing each part used in repairing the vehicle. These bill(s) of sale must indicate whether the part was new or used. The stock number or part number must be shown along with the part name, if the part is new. If the part is used, the serial number of the vehicle it was taken from must be shown. Each parts bill of sale must be signed with the full signature of the seller. If parts
bill(s) of sale are not available, a surety bond must be obtained and submitted to obtain a title.
Request for an Inspection of a Rebuilt Motor Vehicle, Form T-22R - Form T-22R, Request for an Inspection of a Rebuilt Motor Vehicle, must be completed and submitted requesting an inspection of this vehicle by MV Inspection Section.
Processing Fees - Pay all fees due ($143.00 or $168.00 that includes the $18 title fee and the $125 assembled motorcycle or $150 assembled motor vehicle inspection fee) with a certified check or money order payable to the Department of Revenue. If the vehicle requires a re-inspection by the Motor Vehicle Inspection Section, an additional $100 inspection fee will be charged for each inspection thereafter.
Notes: The vehicle should not be painted until after it passes a Motor Vehicle inspection.
The year model of this vehicle will be the year that the vehicle was built. The make of this vehicle will be the trade name of the kit vehicle (i.e. Bradley GT, Gazelle, etc.). The model name of the vehicle will be the model shown on the manufacturer’s statement of origin (MSO) for the kit (i.e. Replica of a 1929 Mercedes Benz). MV will issue two (2) serial plates (rebuilt and reassigned) in addition to the serial plate issued with the kit. The plates will reflect the same vehicle identification number as shown on the serial plate issued with the kit. The rebuilt serial plate must be affixed to the left doorpost and the plate with the reassigned number issued by Motor Vehicle must be affixed to the frame. Upon receipt of all properly executed documents and the required fees, Motor Vehicle will forward a copy of all documents and Form T-22R requesting an inspection of the vehicle to MV Inspection Section for an inspection to be scheduled. If the vehicle requires a re-inspection by MV Inspection Section, an additional $100.00 inspection fee will be charged for each inspection thereafter.If this inspection by MV Inspection Section determines that the vehicle has been properly rebuilt, they will authorize MV to issue a certificate of title. Upon receipt of this authorization from MV Inspection Section, a certificate of title will be issued and mailed to the applicant or security interest holder, if one is recorded on the title application. If any parts used to build this kit vehicle are taken from another vehicle, the title to that vehicle must be submitted or a letter of verification must be submitted from the state that
is holding the title.

[pedal2metal]

AND THERE'S THE RUB. Read the ninth line from the bottom of mrmustang's message: "The year model for this vehicle will be the year the vehicle is assembeled." That means the car must comply with Georgia state emissions laws if the car was built within the last 25 years (under our law here). Mrmustang explains how to get a title and registration on a Replica...that's good as far as it goes...but EMISSIONS...that's another issue...at least here.

[kinsey]

my cobra is registered in Ca. and sb 100exempt. On the registration the year shows as "0000"

[King- cobra]

Bill is right, if you bring a car in with a 2010 Ca title Georgia with consider it a 2010 and the emission rules for that county apply. There have been problems with someone having a SP car in one county tagged as a 2005 and they move to a county with emsions requirments and they can not get the car registered in the new county even though it has been registered in Georgia before. You have to be carefull when bringing in out of state cars with new titles

[pedal2metal]

We have a conflict of approaches. California has allowed an emissions exemption in exchange for "being honest" about the Year of Manufacture (i.e. a 65 Replica is not really manufactured in 65 so lets not title it as such). Other states have their own complicated and arguably antiquated regs and procedures which tend to turn a bit of a blind eye to the "Year of Manufacture" which is used to then declare the car "old" enough not to have to satisfy emissions requirements. When a car involves both of these regimes (moving from one state to another(...buyer beware.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by pedal2metal

Other states have their own complicated and arguably antiquated regs and procedures which tend to turn a bit of a blind eye to the "Year of Manufacture" which is used to then declare the car "old" enough not to have to satisfy emissions requirements. When a car involves both of these regimes (moving from one state to another(...buyer beware.

Not old and antiquated. Actually modern and up to date. Last year, Wa. state adopted the SEMA bill into law that allows any car to be titled as the year it replicates. If more states, like Ca., Ga. and Ma. would pull their head out of their azz, there wouldn't be a problem.

[pedal2metal]

You're right...poor choice of words on my part. My state senator lives in the neighborhood and I think I'll have a talk with him. Quit with all the nonsense and integrate the state law into what other industry-friendly states are doing. To not do so can mean loss of tax revenue from businesses that cater to the industry, etc.

[TimG427]

I believe that in Texas you have to qualify for the year of manufacturer emissions rules if you bring a car with SB100 into the State. It would be considered a disadvantage to have SB100 on the title and bring a car into Texas. This was what I gathered in my reasearch when I was looking at a California replica with SB100.