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Post By eschaider
04-25-2019, 07:58 PM
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Steering Quickener
Hi everyone.
Has anyone had any experience and success with installing a steering quickener on a manual steering Backdraft to improve the steering response.
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Fred
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04-26-2019, 09:52 AM
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I'v never used one. Wouldn't that increase steering effort?
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04-26-2019, 10:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FredG
Hi everyone.
Has anyone had any experience and success with installing a steering quickener on a manual steering Backdraft to improve the steering response.
Thanks
Fred
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Just put a BMW Z3 rack in the car using a KRC pump...
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04-26-2019, 08:57 PM
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Steering Quickener
Car has electric steering in it that works very well but I am not happy with the response I get from the current rack which I understand comes from a Toyota Pickup. Seriously, Toyota rack installed by the factory in a Backdraft cobra?
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04-26-2019, 09:36 PM
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FredG, you're shocked that Backdraft used a Toyota rack? BMW stuff is OK, but not Toyota? Even the revered CS used about anything that would do the job, or that he had laying around in the corner...
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04-27-2019, 12:55 PM
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you should see what your camber and caster are before going after hardware
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04-27-2019, 01:40 PM
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Typically, trucks have much slower turning racks to accomodate loads, larger tires, etc... I would call Backdraft to see if they know of a rack with the same specs but faster turning specs. I would suspect the BMW they used to use would come with a faster rack but you would have to verify with Backdraft or somebody who knows how to measure your existing geometry or rack to match it up....
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08-06-2019, 08:21 AM
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If you want to turn quick just stab to the go pettal you will be amazed how quick you will turn! Just work on your skills a little driving your car rather than trying to reengingineer it.
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08-06-2019, 01:39 PM
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Fred,
As you quicken manual steering you increase the car's ability to manhandle you through turns on a road course or elsewhere. If you quicken the steering by using a power assisted rack you increase the control you have and decrease the car's ability to manhandle you through the turns.
Take a look at this video of a Cobra on the track and watch how the driver fights the wheel to maintain control of the car. Click here => Cobra Vid...Pay attention around the 45 second mark. This is the first of several fairly impressive battles between man and machine.
On a road course, it is a continuous battle between man and machine. Anything you can do to get a leg up, so to speak, in the battle is worth doing. Quickening steering w/o something like a power assist to help you maintain control might be less attractive than you suspect.
Ed
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08-06-2019, 04:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl Bebout
FredG, you're shocked that Backdraft used a Toyota rack? BMW stuff is OK, but not Toyota? Even the revered CS used about anything that would do the job, or that he had laying around in the corner...
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Including Volkswagen steering columns!
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08-12-2019, 10:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eschaider
Fred,
As you quicken manual steering you increase the car's ability to manhandle you through turns on a road course or elsewhere. If you quicken the steering by using a power assisted rack you increase the control you have and decrease the car's ability to manhandle you through the turns.
Take a look at this video of a Cobra on the track and watch how the driver fights the wheel to maintain control of the car. Click here => Cobra Vid...Pay attention around the 45 second mark. This is the first of several fairly impressive battles between man and machine.
On a road course, it is a continuous battle between man and machine. Anything you can do to get a leg up, so to speak, in the battle is worth doing. Quickening steering w/o something like a power assist to help you maintain control might be less attractive than you suspect.
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Way beyond my skills! that was crazy! I was starting to sweat just watching.You are correct steering quickeners are a good thing.
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08-13-2019, 05:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey 65
Just put a BMW Z3 rack in the car using a KRC pump...
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How much of a "bolt in" process is this rack? Any particular year/model better than others?
I'm thinking of doing exactly this.
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08-14-2019, 05:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcowan
How much of a "bolt in" process is this rack? Any particular year/model better than others?
I'm thinking of doing exactly this.
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Pretty easy actually... You can get the entire kit 3.2 turns and an aftermarket rack from Backdraft... Or you can do what I did and call Backdraft and get their install kit minus their 3.2 turn aftermarket rack and then source a real OEM BMW Z3 rack which is what I did. You can get a rebuilt OEM Z3 rack from the The Rack Doctor He has 3 racks.. You can buy either the 96-97 or the 98-02 NON 3.2L rack. The 3.2L rack is 3.2 turns and the other two are 2.7 turns.
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