460 Long Block

[colvinbh]

I am considering upgrading my CCX 3083 from the current 351 Cleveland to a 460 long block. Does anyone have any experience with installing a 460 long block? Any suggestions if not a 460 long block?

[Danr55]

I would check with Keith Craft. He probably has as much experience with BB Fords as anyone on line. If not KC, then maybe Gessford.

[blykins]

Originally Posted by colvinbh

I am considering upgrading my CCX 3083 from the current 351 Cleveland to a 460 long block. Does anyone have any experience with installing a 460 long block? Any suggestions if not a 460 long block?

How much power are you wanting? I routinely get 550-600 hp out of my 408 Cleveland's. I also build 460 based engines...Boss 9 heads, Kaase heads, street, drag race, you name it.

Now if you're wanting advice on how to shoehorn one into your car, I probably can't be much help.

[FWB]

i went from a 351C to a big block........you will be replacing a lot of stuff that was probably fine for the 351, but the BB will need an upgrade.examples: springs, fuel system, radiator, headers.....etc

[colvinbh]

Originally Posted by blykins

How much power are you wanting? I routinely get 550-600 hp out of my 408 Cleveland's. I also build 460 based engines...Boss 9 heads, Kaase heads, street, drag race, you name it.

Now if you're wanting advice on how to shoehorn one into your car, I probably can't be much help.

I recently had the 351 dyno'd it was 255 HP at the rear wheels, with 275 Max Torque, at 5500 rpms. Not sure what HP and Torque would be the best, I will be driving the car on the street as often as the weather permits here in Ohio. Any suggestions would be appreciated. The reason I ask about going to a 460 was due to the availability of these engines, not locked into any big block choice.
Thanks

[YerDugliness]

Originally Posted by colvinbh

I am considering upgrading my CCX 3083 from the current 351 Cleveland to a 460 long block. Does anyone have any experience with installing a 460 long block? Any suggestions if not a 460 long block?

As for the 385 series Ford engines, you can't do better than Jon Kaase. He's the king of the 429/460's!

Originally Posted by colvinbh

Any suggestions would be appreciated. The reason I ask about going to a 460 was due to the availability of these engines, not locked into any big block choice.
Thanks

Good for you!! That opens up a can of worms I frequently toss about

Originally Posted by blykins

How much power are you wanting? I routinely get 550-600 hp out of my 408 Cleveland's.

As blykins well knows, I'm a huge fan of the 335 engine series for many of the same reasons I like the 385 series. However, the Cleveland blocks did have some issues with oiling if run hard...so, here's an idea:

How about a 351W block, perhaps aluminum, built up to 427CID, with Cleveland heads...essentially a 427 Clevor? You'd get that magic displacement number with the benefits of the superior Windsor oiling system. If built with an alloy block, heads, intake, water pump, etc you'd be in the same weight range as an 8.2" iron engine, and you'd have absolutely NO trouble getting it into the engine bay or sourcing items such as headers (you might even be able to use your current 351C headers, and you'd even use the same motor mounts, I'd think). You'd also have to deal with none of these issues:

Originally Posted by FWB

i went from a 351C to a big block........you will be replacing a lot of stuff that was probably fine for the 351, but the BB will need an upgrade.examples: springs, fuel system, radiator,.....etc

Clevors have routinely been pretty much at the top of the food chain when it comes to the PHR Engine Masters series, they can make insane power numbers.

I'd bet blykins can build you a real killer Clevor, if I were able to do it he'd be my choice!


Cheers!

Dugly

[blykins]

I would consider all the parts that you wouldn't mind changing.

If you went with a big block, you'd have to change engine mounts, bellhousing, flywheel, headers, etc.

If you went with a Windsor/Clevor, you'd have to change or modify the headers because of the taller block height.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Cleveland, nor with the oiling if you keep it below 7500. A 393 or 408 stroker kit in that block with a nice set of heads and a cam matched for what you're going to be doing the most would make an excellent platform...and you wouldn't have to change anything else.

Having 255 at the tires is roughly 325-350 at the flywheel which is no slouch. It would be very easy to have an extremely streetable 500hp at the flywheel, that would run on low octane gas, putz around town/cruise/parades, but blow your shorts off when you got in the gas.

I do a lot of Cleveland stuff....even started my own forum a few months back.

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[YerDugliness]

What is the current state of the art on an alloy C block, brent?

I know there were a few cast....just thinking weight on the front end.

Also, just curious....what is it that keeps us from getting 427 CID from a Cleveland?

You'll get another member on your forum, soon!

Cheers!

Dugly

[blykins]

There are a couple of aluminum Cleveland blocks being cast right now. One is from Arrow in Australia....the other is Mark McKeown's block.

Honestly, if someone wanted an aftermarket block, I'd advise them to spend $1600 for a Dart SHP block instead of spending $2500-3000 for an aftermarket Cleveland block. I suppose if someone has to have a period correct looking engine, then there's only one option though...

What keeps you from getting 427 cubes is the deck height. You'd have to use a 4.100" or 4.170" stroke and that just makes the piston way too short for street use. A 408C with CHI heads will make as much horsepower as most 427W combinations though. I guess some people just require the "magic number", but I think it's overrated...

I did a 408C with 208cc CHI heads (out of the box), their 3V intake (out of the box), 10.3:1 compression, and a very mild solid roller and it pumped out 575hp very easily....no fuss, no muss. The CHI heads are the only heads that I've flowed and the results were what the manufacturer said they should be....

If you can't tell, I'm very pro-Cleveland....haha

[YerDugliness]

Thanks for the answer, Brent!

What do you think about the AFD's....sound good to me and not as expensive as the CHI products....just curious.

I can't imagine wanting to twist a Cleveland up to 7,500

Originally Posted by blykins

If you can't tell, I'm very pro-Cleveland....haha

Great minds and all that....two peas in a pod....yeah, me too !

Cheers!

Dugly

[blykins]

Never used a set, but for the street, I would put my money on the CHI heads. The 3V is a mix between a 2V velocity and a 4V flow....very sweet for the street.

[colvinbh]

Thanks for the info, I may try to increase the Cleveland to 500 hp at the flywheel. Thanks