Clutch master hard line

Omathisen · #1 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 09:34 AM

Hi,
Right in the middle of changing the clutch slave and master cylinders. Slave is straightforward. About the master, there is the soft connection to the slave with threads and a nut. But then there is the hard line from the fluid reservoir - I do not see any snap or retaining nut. How is that attached. Just press fit?
Thanks.

strictlypersonl · #2 (**permalink**) 10-11-2008, 10:44 AM

Yes, the expanded section of the hard line fits into a groove in the master cylinder grommet. No other retaining method is necessary.

Omathisen · #3 (**permalink**) 10-12-2008, 07:46 AM

Hi,
Thanks. Hope you can help me with a couple of more things:
Is the slave held in place in the bracket by the snap rings only? Is the screw on the outside of the bracket for holding the return spring only? In other words that screw does not serve to hold the slave in place as well? The nut for the screw came off in the process of taking the old slave out so now I have to weld that in place or get another bracket from ERA.
Also, the soft connection to the slave -- does it have washers on both sides? Any particular washers. We had a leak issue as we bled the new slave.
Thanks again.

patrickt · #4 (**permalink**) 10-12-2008, 09:33 AM

Here's a couple of shots of mine; maybe this will help.

Omathisen · #5 (**permalink**) 10-13-2008, 06:27 PM

Thanks.
It is useful to see your pictures. Except my bracket is different and is bolted to the bell housing.
We tried to blaze the nut back on the bracket today and everything seemed fine. The nut is on stronger than ever. Except in the process somehow the round hole in the bracket, through which the slave fits, is no longer round, so the new slave will not fit (it fit before). Somehow the blazing warped the shape of the bracket (and the hole).
Meanwhile, I have ordered a new bracket from ERA, which will hopefully fit.
I am running a 351 Windsor with a Richmond/Dough Nash transmission.

Omathisen · #6 (**permalink**) 10-13-2008, 06:29 PM

Hi again,
One more thing, do you use washers at both ends of the soft line connection to the slave, that is, on the slave and on the bolt to the connection. I had a leak issue as we, my son and I, tried to put this together (before the nut came off).

patrickt · #7 (**permalink**) 10-13-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Omathisen

Hi again,
One more thing, do you use washers at both ends of the soft line connection to the slave, that is, on the slave and on the bolt to the connection. I had a leak issue as we, my son and I, tried to put this together (before the nut came off).

Yes, copper sealing washers at both ends.

strictlypersonl · #8 (**permalink**) 10-14-2008, 06:54 AM

Because the mounting surface on the slave cylinders we've been receiving has narrowed quite a bit, our new hose uses different fittings on that end. See this PDF drawing.

Omathisen · #9 (**permalink**) 10-14-2008, 02:10 PM

Will be interesting to see if this all fits together. if not, well, we'll figure it out.
Thanks for the drawing.

Menwhile, about "copper sealing washers" (above). Obviously, I know what copper washers are, but the ones that may be the sealing type, are listed as copper crush washers (for brake connections) on Pegasus Racing. I assume you are referring to these and not just regular copper washers?

patrickt · #10 (**permalink**) 10-14-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Omathisen

Menwhile, about "copper sealing washers" (above). Obviously, I know what copper washers are, but the ones that may be the sealing type, are listed as copper crush washers (for brake connections) on Pegasus Racing. I assume you are referring to these and not just regular copper washers?

Yep, they're the same thing. Stupid people call them "copper sealing washers." Almost any auto parts store will have them though, so you don't have to order them from Pegasus. Here's a typical assortment set of 120 pieces for about twenty bucks: http://www.carparts.com/COPPER-SEALI...2_N__10618.car

Omathisen · #11 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 05:59 PM

I tried carparts.com and ordered copper sealing washers and that is what the shipping document says too. Except in the package I received tonight was a lockable gas cap. . . and no washers. So I assume somebody, somewhere, who expected a gas cap, is now looking at a little tray of washers, wondering if they are a new sort of mini gas cap. . .

patrickt · #12 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Omathisen

I tried carparts.com and ordered copper sealing washers and that is what the shipping document says too. Except in the package I received tonight was a lockable gas cap. . .

It's exactly like I said, you're dealing with stupid people.

Cobra 29 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-24-2008, 07:28 PM

Bob, will the hose configuration that you shared in this thread work from a Tilton 7/8 master to the BWM slave cylinder ERA is using? If not, do you have another hose configuration? If you do, I am calling Peter to order one preassembled. I learned this was much easier than re-creating such assemblies many times before.

Thanks

strictlypersonl · #14 (**permalink**) 10-25-2008, 06:28 AM

Yes, we've got a special hose that traverses the gap between the Tilton master and BMW slave.

Give me a call on Monday.