dailey dry sump fitting in jbl

vector1 · #1 (**permalink**) 12-25-2012, 09:48 AM

here is a pic of the pump with rearward facing -16 outlet, a 45 degree off it will not work because it hits the threaded tube, but a 30 possibly and a straight for sure. much better room in my case. if unused dailey accepts the parts back in exchange, cost would be about $160. there is about 2 1/2" from bottom of pan and bottom chassis, plenty of room and really cleaned up from the previous setup. there is also an air/oil seperator on the tail end of the pump.

some pics of fire sleeve bought from aircraft surplus at about 1/3 cost of the sleeve, steel braided hose with fittings is free but unfortunately the ends have to be cut off. the smaller lines are rated for 1500 psi, i bought a -16 line that was rated for 750 psi.

Richard Hudgins · #2 (**permalink**) 12-26-2012, 01:23 PM

Mark,

Is that line for pressure or scavenge? A -16 seems huge for a pressure line.

If it is the scavenge line a straight fitting seems like it would be perfect as your tank is directly aft of the pump isn't it?

Still damned tight in there.

When I originally laid out the engine bay I used an Avaid pump that had both outlets aimed up and there was room for all of the lines but still a bi*ch to plumb because of the engine mount.

Also how good is the scavenge on the Dailey unit? I have seen photos of the pan but no detail on the pickups.

Is there a scraper as well? What is done about airborne oil?

vector1 · #3 (**permalink**) 12-26-2012, 04:05 PM

hello richard

the -16 facing rearward is the pump inlet from the tank, it does work good with the tank position. the pressure outlet is off the top of the pump in the same location as prior and a -12, similar to the avaid and it should use the same line, same exact setup mat has except my pump inlet is rearward facing and my drive pulley was a different measurement from the face of the block, which is the same position as the avaid.

this pan doesn't have a conventional scraper or windage tray, but there is a scoop for each bay in the pan and a smaller outlet at the top of the pan with a debris screen inside.

this is a 5 stage pump, with 4 scavenge inside, he does offer a 6 stage with another external scavenge to plumb to the valley which would move the air oil separator back the distance of the new section and possibly miss the engine mount completely but most likely put it at the back of the mount.

dailey said it should pull easily in the high teens on vacuum at about 70% engine speed which is where it will run initially, same as mats. can go as high 100%. the air oil separator should become functional at about 3000 rpm, prior he estimated 20% froth through the -10 air line.

still looking for suggestions on the scavenge line, i guess running it across the bottom of the engine and up the driver side to the oil cooler at the front, i don't think i can vertical down 180 up the passenger side but i don't know how tight the radius is on a -16 fitting. dailey did talk me into the -16 line, said something about pressure and volume, and one being increased the square going from a -12 to a -16. scavenge line is the only sticking point right now.

this is a real nice unit, something i could never do on my 2 axis vise and takes a lot of the plumbing hassle out and much better pan design. complete setup weighs 20# btw, not a lightweight.

vector1 · #4 (**permalink**) 12-27-2012, 07:15 AM

there is the topside, quite a bit more room compared to the avaid.

Richard Hudgins · #5 (**permalink**) 12-27-2012, 11:03 AM

Maybe one of these will work.

951mat · #6 (**permalink**) 12-27-2012, 01:56 PM

Mark, I think I'd run to an oil cooler coming out of pump or filter vs from the scavenge line. I think everyone does it differently. That -16 bends enough to go under pan to drivers side for me, but probably wouldn't want to bend much more.

Mat

vector1 · #7 (**permalink**) 12-27-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Hudgins

Maybe one of these will work.

that looks like a pretty tight bend but those things are humongous, would have to be 4-4.5" outside dimensions, i don't know if 4.5 would work. you don't have one handy do you?

vector1 · #8 (**permalink**) 12-27-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 951mat

Mark, I think I'd run to an oil cooler coming out of pump or filter vs from the scavenge line. I think everyone does it differently. That -16 bends enough to go under pan to drivers side for me, but probably wouldn't want to bend much more.

Mat

i still can't dump straight to the tank which is by the starter, i need to cool the oil since there is no air circulation on the tank. i've seen it get pretty warm just driving down the road. that is one reason i wanted the separator, cooling the oil on the scavenge side works pretty good with the air out of the way, and it is a low pressure line if something goes out of the way.

i'm also trading the low compression 383 out for something more robust. 408 i think. gotta keep up with you and have enough to chase the lampe superlite down.

vector1 · #9 (**permalink**) 03-30-2013, 10:03 AM

new pic of the dry sump installed on a 408. the right side motor mount had to be clearanced to fit, but with the right forthought that could be averted. still very tight on the lines and working on plumbing.

AL427SBF · #10 (**permalink**) 03-30-2013, 10:52 AM

i'm also trading the low compression 383 out for something more robust. 408 i think. gotta keep up with you and have enough to chase the lampe superlite down.

Hats ... errr Helmets off to you Mark, I see one as achievable ... the other a pipe dream

vector1 · #11 (**permalink**) 03-30-2013, 12:20 PM

Hey, dream big and settle for less. SLC has a longer wheel base and aero, I don't think it compares otherwise if you look at the chassis numbers which they have never published, but the numbers for a JBL are pretty impressive for any serious track car. Also, talking smack before a race is a lot easier.........

How is yourin coming along?

Cobra #3170 · #12 (**permalink**) 03-30-2013, 12:42 PM

I mounted my tank in the trunk but use the Dailey dry sump pump too. The cooler and filter are all on the pressure side the #16 lines just go back to the tank as return and feed.
This simplified the installation from a routing stand point. The Dailey pump is excellent great pressure when hot and nice pan vacuum too.

AL427SBF · #13 (**permalink**) 03-30-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vector1

Hey, dream big and settle for less. SLC has a longer wheel base and aero, I don't think it compares otherwise if you look at the chassis numbers which they have never published, but the numbers for a JBL are pretty impressive for any serious track car. Also, talking smack before a race is a lot easier.........

How is yourin coming along?

True, I looked at Dean's specs on his coined "v2.0" version, a formidable track weapon for sure ...

LS3 480hp crate engine with the new 2010 Porsche twin turbo six speed gear box, sparse race car interior and all of the race car upgrades needed to go fast. Not the extra stuff, just what you need. This car has the upgraded wheels, same as Fran's race car. It has all the splitters and rear wing with the new street tail cut just like green car. I will be running stock brakes because I really believe that's all that's needed. It will have the Digidash data logger with GPS.

As for mine, thinking this summer, Larry wants to get through Mat's pathfinder coupe 1st to make sure comp upgrades fit properly before installation on the last hallmark comp roadster built from the prestigious Goins Motorsports shop. No doubt destined for a museum after my passing and a rich racing history, at least that's my story and I'm sticking to it, I can talk smack too

vector1 · #14 (**permalink**) 03-30-2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra #3170

I mounted my tank in the trunk but use the Dailey dry sump pump too. The cooler and filter are all on the pressure side the #16 lines just go back to the tank as return and feed.
This simplified the installation from a routing stand point. The Dailey pump is excellent great pressure when hot and nice pan vacuum too.

that is probably what i would do if i were to plan it out all beforehand. can't wait to fire it up and see how the new pump performs.

SoTxButler · #15 (**permalink**) 03-30-2013, 06:27 PM

My -16 scavenge comes out the front, but my tank is forward. The Dailey setup is great, good pressure and good vacuum. Lots of pics in my photos. Mine was so very tight. I bypassed the oil cooler. With 3 gallons and on the street, the oil doesn't get hot enough. I had to install a tank heater.

Good luck, you'll love the system.

vector1 · #16 (**permalink**) 03-30-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SoTxButler

My -16 scavenge comes out the front, but my tank is forward. The Dailey setup is great, good pressure and good vacuum. Lots of pics in my photos. Mine was so very tight. I bypassed the oil cooler. With 3 gallons and on the street, the oil doesn't get hot enough. I had to install a tank heater.

Good luck, you'll love the system.

Nice pics. These Dailey things are getting to be commonplace. I am thinking about running the line around across the front for now, and not hooking up the cooler.

SoTxButler · #17 (**permalink**) 03-31-2013, 10:22 PM

Vector1

Yes they are. More and more people are turning on to his systems. I had to bug Bill for almost 2 years to build my pan. He kept insisting that there was no demand for an FE pan, but I kept calling him every two weeks or so and just bugged him until he finally did it and I know he has sold a few of the FE pans. He is a good guy and always willing to answer any question that comes up.