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07-25-2023, 04:40 PM
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KMP259 Aero Testing
We've been testing some of the Aero package we've done and it is working like it was planned ....here's a couple of photos of some of the test on the front of KMP259
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07-25-2023, 04:44 PM
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Here's at speed
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07-25-2023, 06:09 PM
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Looking real nice Morris! How does it differ from before?
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We changed the heights of the tabs on the vents on the hood to get more air to come out of the engine compartment....we also wanted to see if the air on the side of the hood scope was curling around and going into the hood scope....we have a lot of air coming into our hood opening. I have more photos where we were measuring air coming thru the radiator with a Manometer and probe....
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07-25-2023, 07:37 PM
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Very impressive, Morris!
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07-26-2023, 10:09 AM
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Morris,
Looks like you obtained the desired effects. Are you still racing, or do you have a driver now?
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07-26-2023, 10:47 AM
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No just playing with different ideas....having fun trying different items....
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07-28-2023, 12:25 AM
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The research side of owning one of these can almost be as psychologically rewarding as driving one.
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07-28-2023, 10:23 AM
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And I don’t have a time constraint to be ready for a race....
Just enjoying my senior years for me & the Cobra...
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07-28-2023, 12:02 PM
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Absolutely true. After 17 years playing with my stroked and bored FE, I only just recently figured out that its oil consumption varies based on how high the level is in the Canton sump and not how I drive the car.
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07-29-2023, 01:50 PM
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Absolutely true. After 17 years playing with my stroked and bored FE, I only just recently figured out that its oil consumption varies based on how high the level is in the Canton sump and not how I drive the car.
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You mean 21,692 posts later? ;-)
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07-29-2023, 01:58 PM
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Morris, I am curious: Did you also experiment with the "bug deflector" seen often on racing cars of the 50 and 60s. The seem to sit about halfway on the hood. Do they actually work and keep the windshield clean? And from what speed?
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Morris, I am curious: Did you also experiment with the "bug deflector" seen often on racing cars of the 50 and 60s. The seem to sit about halfway on the hood. Do they actually work and keep the windshield clean? And from what speed?
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No ..but if you look at my yarn photo's you'll see how the yarn fluters up to let the air out of the engine above the headers....
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07-29-2023, 03:22 PM
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Here's some testing with a Magnehelic to see how much pressure is coming in the front opening and behind the oil cooler and behind the radiator....to make sure the radiator is working at it's best and it does ...we never get above 210* on the water ...as we start moving and air flows ....we run on the street at 190*....on the Race Track it 210*....I was concerned that the oil cooler was so big that it was blocking to much air ..but not at all.
Check out the photo'e
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Here's some more readings
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And as we increase the speed the air flow increases but the best part is as the air enters the hole in the front it's a one velosity and then the shape of the radiator hole is the air slows down to go thru the radiator at a slower speed and cools much better ....we don't run a Thermostat ....we just use a restrictor that has a 1" hole in it to slow the water flow down....works great....
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A Fun Game to Play - Guess the Oil Level
This is not up on the level of Morris' stuff but my oil level investigation makes for a fun game nonetheless. Here are two pics. The first is my oil pan when the car is standing normally on my reasonably level garage floor. This is the condition under which I usually check my oil, fill the sump, check how much is being used, etc. The second pic is when I have the back of the car jacked up so that the magnetic level on the bottom of the Canton pan has its bubble in the middle of the level's window (it's jacked up a good bit). Now, when Danbury Competition calibrated my dipstick when they built my engine it was on an engine stand, not when it was sitting in my ERA. Now you can't really see my dipstick all that well but it's directly behind my fancy coolant overflow catch bottle. See if you can guess what the oil level difference is on the dipstick when you check the oil under the first photographed condition as opposed to the second. Why it's important should be obvious.
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Did you order that fancy bottle from the McCormick racing catalog?
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This is not up on the level of Morris' stuff but my oil level investigation makes for a fun game nonetheless. Here are two pics. The first is my oil pan when the car is standing normally on my reasonably level garage floor. This is the condition under which I usually check my oil, fill the sump, check how much is being used, etc. The second pic is when I have the back of the car jacked up so that the magnetic level on the bottom of the Canton pan has its bubble in the middle of the level's window (it's jacked up a good bit). Now, when Danbury Competition calibrated my dipstick when they built my engine it was on an engine stand, not when it was sitting in my ERA. Now you can't really see my dipstick all that well but it's directly behind my fancy coolant overflow catch bottle. See if you can guess what the oil level difference is on the dipstick when you check the oil under the first photographed condition as opposed to the second. Why it's important should be obvious.
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07-31-2023, 09:28 AM
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Did you order that fancy bottle from the McCormick racing catalog?
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Very astute. The glass in that bottle is actually quite thick and heavy, but if you don't catch your overflow you never know how much you're overflowing. So, on a reasonably well built FE, what does fuel level, coolant level and oil level all have in common? Answer: Your FE will tell you what level it likes if you just leave it alone and listen to what it's saying. With my Holley, if I set the fuel level as per every instruction ever written in the last sixty years (to the bottom of the bowls' site holes) she'll perc it out the boosters and leak it out the butterfly shafts, create scary fuel clouds and refuse to start when she's hot (and the bowls don't sit level either). If I fill the coolant surge tank up half way she'll spit coolant out the overflow tube until it settles to her sweet spot, which is always at the same level about an inch and a quarter off the floor. If I try and top her off she just spits it out again. And what if I overfill my Canton oil pan? Same thing. Even with my windage tray, the overfilled oil gets aerated and vanishes without a trace. The difference in my two pictured dipstick readings above is a good 1/8th to 1/4th of a quart of oil. And because of the tilt of the pan, if I fill my sump up to the "FULL" mark I'm really overfilling it by at least that much. For years I always filled my oil to the "FULL" mark and noticed that the first eighth of a quart of oil seemed to disappear relatively quickly, but then consumption seemed to slow down. If I topped it off, it did it again. Finally, when I did absolutely nothing and just let it go, oil consumption came to a crawl when it was about halfway down the dipstick. It never occurred to me that the dipstick markings weren't actually wrong, they were just wrong for an engine that sits tilted in the engine bay. What really tipped me off was when I installed a Wagner adjustable PCV a few years ago and I plumbed in a Moroso Oil/Air Separator expecting to catch a ton of oil. It catches a couple of ounces, but not all that much. How can oil just vanish for a while and then stop vanishing? My engine was simply telling me "I don't like to be filled to the brim with oil -- especially when your marks are wrong to begin with." So how did I reduce my oil consumption down to almost nothing? Just by putting a notch in the middle of the dipstick and keeping the level there.
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