Oil pan for 'street' leafspring 289

[rsk289]

Can anyone tell me what kind of oil pan a showroom 'street' leafspring 289 for 1964 would have had bolted to it? I'm getting lost in a pile of Aviaids, finned Cobra pans and so on. I'm beginning to think it might just have been the stock Ford offering…
Thanks,
Roger

[LMH]

Standard Ford front sump pan if no options on the car.
Larry

[LMH]

There is a small difference between the 64 and 65 pan with location of the drain plug but I doubt anyone would see it unless they knew what they were looking for.
Oil temp bung is punched into the pan from outside and brazed to the pan on the backside near the drain plug.
Larry

[Dan Case]

XHP-260 'experimental' engines = stock 1962 Ford 221 pan (which is a different depth than all pans to follow for 260/289/302 engines) based on engine serial number 4 that was analyzed this year


HP260 'production' engines = stock 1963 221/260 oil pan (pans have date codes stamped into them)


260 2V 'production' engines (two Cobras got 260-2V engines) = probably the stock Fairlane pan from Ford


HP289s "five bolt" Ford serial numbered assemblies = 1963-64 Ford 260/289 pans (pans have dates stamped into them)


HP289s "five bolt" Shelby serial numbered assemblies that were fitted with aluminum T10 transmissions = 1965 Ford 289 pans


HP289s "six bolt" Shelby serial numbered assemblies that were fitted with high performance C4 automatic transmissions = 1965 Ford 289 pans

[Dan Case]

Originally Posted by rsk289

Can anyone tell me what kind of oil pan a showroom 'street' leafspring 289 for 1964 would have had bolted to it? I'm getting lost in a pile of Aviaids, finned Cobra pans and so on. I'm beginning to think it might just have been the stock Ford offering…
Thanks,
Roger

Stock = Ford pan crudely modified by Cobra engine installers to include a temperature sensor.

Common Option = cast aluminum oil pan to match cast aluminum valve covers, listed as the "big pan" frequently on new car documents.

Race Option = SA race shop modified stock pans with larger sump, 'scrapers', and box around the oil pickups, very early ones painted black but most were cadmium plated (the modification set also included a fully braced and safety wired oil pump and pick up assembly)

[Rick Parker]

Any photos of the braced pick up assy?

[rsk289]

Thanks guys, as ever a full and comprehensive list from Dan.

[Dan Case]

Originally Posted by Rick Parker

Any photos of the braced pick up assy?

This subassembly came off a factory built 1965 GT350 race car, the pickup is out of shape from crash damage. Main bearing cap braces like this were used for years and a picture of one is included in the 1967 Group II engine manual. The brace used by SA in 1963 was slightly different but did the same thing. The very early Cobra engine XHP-260-4 (engine serial number four in the experimental high performance 260 c.i.d. series) had a 1962 specific pickup gusseted in this manner. Early pumps used stock pickup bolts drilled for safety wire. This 1965 pump installation has drilled head aircraft bolts for the oil pick up.




1963 Syle just as SA put it together.



Style used later just as SA put it together.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by rsk289

Thanks guys, as ever a full and comprehensive list from Dan.

You got that right! I wouldn't know diddly if it wasn't for Dan! Studying online photo's and a few original's only goes so far.
Larry

[rsk289]

One problem leads to another…
I am looking at the Scott Drake timing cover with passenger side inlet (not the very early one with the oil filler tube). I had planned to fit an aluminium repro water pump. But this timing cover has no oil dipstick provision. So where should the dipstick go, if there's no hole for it in the oilpan?
SD's pn is C4AZ-6019-A.
Having real fun trying to work out how to do timing cover/water pump.

[Dan Case]

Originally Posted by rsk289

One problem leads to another…
I am looking at the Scott Drake timing cover with passenger side inlet (not the very early one with the oil filler tube). I had planned to fit an aluminium repro water pump. But this timing cover has no oil dipstick provision. So where should the dipstick go, if there's no hole for it in the oilpan?
SD's pn is C4AZ-6019-A.
Having real fun trying to work out how to do timing cover/water pump.

Seems like a long way around.

Timing covers are not rare. Which cover to use depends on what time frame you have in mind. A copy of Bob Mannel's book answers almost any question you can think of with regards to when what design was used. Based on the table in his book C3OE-B, C4AE-B, and C4OE-A cover the 1964 model year, depending on time frame.

The oil dip stick tube and stick are (original production parts are, service parts are not) only because tens of thousands have been thrown away. (The tube and stick application was 1963-64-early 1965 model year Ford 260/289 engines with generators.)

Remanufactured water pumps are not rare. There is now an aftermarket impeller that replicates the performance (low coolant cavitation at high rpm - important for high rpm play, otherwise not necessary) of the Ford HP289 specific impellers.

[LMH]

Isn't the boss for the dipstick on the left side? (looking from the front)
Larry

[Dan Case]

yes

1964 64 1965 65 Ford 260 289 V8 Timing Chain Cover C4OE 6059 A Original Part | eBay

[rsk289]

Originally Posted by LMH

Isn't the boss for the dipstick on the left side? (looking from the front)
Larry

Yes it is. What confused me was that Summit's listing for this Scott Drake part states 'no provision for dipstick'. I think they're confusing this with the lack of an oil filler pipe as the early engines had on the timing cover.